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Old 01-22-2005, 11:07 PM   #61
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You mean we agree on something?
Yup we do LOL.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:24 PM   #62
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No matter what?

Let's play "what if" for a second here...

What if... a pastor handed them out at a church service.
What if... a kindergarten teacher passed them out.

Although I would encourage the sexually active to use pre-intercoursal protection by all means if they aren't interested in child bearing.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:29 PM   #63
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Well, yeah, I think you know what I meant heh heh.
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Unless you want to join the Condom Police.

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What if... a pastor handed them out at a church service.
What if... a kindergarten teacher passed them out.

Can you at least come up with plausible scenarios? Kindergarten? Come on!!!
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Old 01-23-2005, 01:13 AM   #66
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I dont understand why guys here like and applaud statement like

"killing is bad "

or "using condoms is ok"

as if killing was ok in the 1st place or...using condoms would ensure a place in hells

as if some old book was more important than scientifically proven facts.

sorry i dont understand this FUSS and glorification of things that doesnt deserve any ATTENTION
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Those who practice homosexuality tend to extract HIV more often.
Well besides being wrong what's your point? Are you going to tell me HIV is God's punishment for being gay?
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How do you support homosexuality and lead the way in fighting AIDS simultaneously
By your logic, then, any support for any sexual activity must cease, if anyone is interested in the fight against AIDS.

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How do you support homosexuality and lead the way in fighting AIDS simultaneously?
Let's see...how about by encouraging people, regardless of sexuality, to practice safe sex. Doesn't sound too contradictory to me, but I suppose that's not the answer you were looking for.
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good gosh.

let's get one thing straight (oh, the irony of that word): HIV is not a disease of sexual orientation. worldwide, it afflicts far more heterosexuals than homosexuals.

being gay doesn't make you more or less likely to be infected; having unprotected receptive intercourse with an infected partner does. in fact, it is actually easier to transmit the virus through vaginal intercourse than anal intercourse. basically, unsafe, reckless sexual activity is what causes the transimission of HIV, not the genders of the two sexual partners.

now -- why gay men? why do they make up a disproportionate percentage of HIV transmissions? several reasons.

1. it is a close knit community, clannish, with far fewer degrees of separation between sexual partners than heterosexuals -- this is mostly a numbers thing, and also due to the huge clusters of gay men in cities, many of whom have fled their small towns across america because they were sick of having the crap kicked out of them, being told they were going to hell, or having their "lifestyle" condemned.

2. homosexual men can both penetrate, and be penetrated, therefore receive the disease and pass it on far more easily than a woman to pass it on to another man, because she can only be penetrated in intercourse. (that may be worded clumsily, but think about it)

3. homophobia. it kills. how? the first lesson that every homosexual is taught: survival depends upon self-concealment. it is simply impossible for many gay men to "come out" -- due to class, culture, or whatever social obstacles are in their way. thus, many of these closted, tormented men are on the "down low," cruising in public parks, furtively sneaking into seedy bars, and having sex in bad places with anonymous people, often under the influence of alcohol and drugs (since these help you lose some of those heavily indoctrinated inhibitions), and safety is often the last thing one thinks of. it's tragic, but true.

the more homophobic the environment, the more likely it is that unsafe sexual practices are going to take place.

if we really want to combat the spread of HIV in the West, in addition to education, we'd do well to recognize and legitimize homosexual relationships. it must be percevied as an acceptable way of life and stripped of all the trappings of 2nd class citizenship. gay marriage must happen, because models of how to successfully conduct a monogamous relationship -- such givens for heterosexuals, as most of popular culture revolves around navigating the complexities of heterosexual love -- should be endorsed by society. the legitimizing of homosexual relationships, as different but equally powerful and worthwhile as heterosexual relationships, will make us all healthier.
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Can you at least come up with plausible scenarios? Kindergarten? Come on!!!
You failed to see that I was testing the limits of shart1780's "no matter what" approach.
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On talk radio, it was said that in some African cultures, they believe that sex with babies will cure AIDS. They need to be informed much better about the disease.
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On talk radio, it was said that in some African cultures, they believe that sex with babies will cure AIDS. They need to be informed much better about the disease.
That's one of the biggest reasons it's spreading so fast in Africa is that sexual education is missing, and their religious beliefs won't allow sex ed programs in. But I haven't heard the baby thing.
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Their religious beliefs... If you give me names of certain ones, I'll be happy to research them. But YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY NEED THE INFO. IT'S KILLING THEM.
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I remember watching a report on TV awhile back and they were saying that the area they were reporting on was a highly Muslim area and they wouldn't allow sex to be talked about in schools, churches, etc.

Example of why abstinence only programs wouldn't work here in America.
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