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Old 09-15-2005, 11:11 AM   #1
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Normal catholic church to probe gays

fucking fascists. do we laugh or cry?



Catholic probe to look at gays in seminaries:
NY Times 2 hours, 43 minutes ago

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Catholic Church investigators tasked by the Vatican to review U.S. seminaries will be looking for "evidence of homosexuality" and for professors who dissent from Church teaching, the New York Times reported on Thursday.

The newspaper said a Vatican document prepared to guide the process and given to The New York Times by a priest, surfaces as Catholics await a Vatican ruling on whether homosexuals should be barred from the priesthood.

American seminaries are under review as a result of the sexual abuse scandal that swept the priesthood in 2002, the year the probe which is now starting was announced.

In a possible hint of the ruling's contents, the American archbishop supervising the seminary review said "anyone who has engaged in homosexual activity or has strong homosexual inclinations," should not be admitted to a seminary.

The Times said Edwin O'Brien, archbishop for the United States military who is supervising the seminary review, told The National Catholic Register that the restriction should apply even to those who have not been sexually active for a decade or more.

O'Brien was once the rector of the North American College, a seminary for Americans studying in Rome and has familiarity with both the Vatican and the U.S. Church.

The issue has been in the spotlight because a study commissioned by the Church found last year that about 80 percent of the young people victimized by priests were boys.

The seminary review, called an apostolic visitation, will send teams of American Church officials to the 229 seminaries, which have more than 4,500 students.

At each seminary, the visitors will conduct confidential interviews with faculty members and seminarians, plus everyone who graduated in the last three years, the Times said.

A document with instructions for the review is being distributed to seminarians and faculty members. It asks whether the doctrine on the priesthood presented by the seminary is "solidly based on the church's Magisterium," or teaching, and whether teachers and seminarians "accept this teaching."

The Times said among the other questions in the lengthy questionnaire are:

"Is there a clear process for removing from the seminary faculty members who dissent from the authoritative teaching of the church or whose conduct does not provide good example to future priests?"

"Is the seminary free from the influences of New Age and eclectic spirituality?"

"Do the seminarians or faculty members have concerns about the moral life of those living in the institution? (This question must be answered)."

"Is there evidence of homosexuality in the seminary? (This question must be answered)."

The questionnaire also asks whether faculty members "watch out for signs of particular friendships," the newspaper said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050915/...xuals_times_dc
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Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem.

At least maybe liberal Catholics can stop deluding themselves over the "benevolence" of the Catholic Church. The beast is shedding its mask.

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At least maybe liberal Catholics can stop deluding themselves over the "benevolence" of the Catholic Church. The beast is shedding its mask.

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I hope so, but unfortunately I think most just think it doesn't really affect them so they just ignore it and continue accepting the familiar and comfortable that they grew up with.
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Okay, Melon, give us a latin translator or the name of the primer you are using to learn the language (which, I believe, is a great idea).

Perhaps this could be a better solution in the long term. Many denominations have clear teachings and expect the local churches to say in line with these teachings. When an issue arises where parties do not agree, one solution is a schism. Then you can choose the denomination with the clear teachings you follow.

To me, the Catholic Church has maintained a fuzzy neutral ground. Making clear pronouncements, but not necessarily following-up on the application of those pronouncements. If all parishes were required to step in line with the Papal mandate, many would not want to follow. You may find a new branch of Catholic Church develop that follows its own clear teachings.
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Okay, Melon, give us a latin translator or the name of the primer you are using to learn the language (which, I believe, is a great idea).
I'll just give you the translation:

"Stand aside plebeians! I am on imperial business."

That kind of reminds me of the Vatican's attitude towards its followers.

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Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem.

I might use that at work.....
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does anyone find my title at least a little bit funny?
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does anyone find my title at least a little bit funny?
That was the best part, the rest just makes me sick.
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does anyone find my title at least a little bit funny?
I giggled as soon as I saw it.
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Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem.

At least maybe liberal Catholics can stop deluding themselves over the "benevolence" of the Catholic Church. The beast is shedding its mask.

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Do not generalize. Not everyone who believes in, and respects, the Catholic church thinks the same way.
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Reminds me of the Garth Brooks' song "We Shall Be Free"....."when we're feel to love anyone we choose"..................

it's actually a very well versed song BTW...."when no one walks a step behind......and there's only one race......and that's Mankind.....then we shall be free."

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Do not generalize. Not everyone who believes in, and respects, the Catholic church thinks the same way.


but doesn't this article beg the question as to whether or not the Church is going to tolerate those who think differently from the established orthodoxy? certainly this is true among the clergy, but what about the laity?
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but doesn't this article beg the question as to whether or not the Church is going to tolerate those who think differently from the established orthodoxy? certainly this is true among the clergy, but what about the laity?
The laity, like myself, will not accept everything a priest may say. I consider myself Catholic, I go to mass almost every Sunday, and, regardless, I do not necessarily agree with what some (not all of them) bishops advocate against gay priests.

With that in mind, I think that the Catholic church has a whole other set of very valid standards that I respect and those are what I follow. And I think that is the way the majority of Catholics think.
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Hehe, I found it amusing...didn't catch the joke right away, though...but that's good .

As for the article itself... ...

*Was never raised in the Catholic faith, but does however, agree that there would be a lot of Catholics who would not agree with this*

It would be interesting, though, Irvine, to see what the leaders would do about people who support letting homosexuals be involved in the church goings-ons and such. Good question posed there.

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The laity, like myself, will not accept everything a priest may say. I consider myself Catholic, I go to mass almost every Sunday, and, regardless, I do not necessarily agree with what some (not all of them) bishops advocate against gay priests.

With that in mind, I think that the Catholic church has a whole other set of very valid standards that I respect and those are what I follow. And I think that is the way the majority of Catholics think.


i agree with you.

do you see an upcoming split in the church? though i'm a confirmed catholic, i'm not fully up to speed in the way that someone like Melon is, but it seems to me that the messages coming out of Rome and the new pope is that dissenting opinions and viewpoints are going to be less tolerated. what are American Catholics (or Western European Catholics as well) going to do? break from the church? what do you see happening, if anything?
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