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Old 10-26-2002, 07:24 PM   #16
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So sparkysgrrrl, you are saying that child rapists have a right to live?
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Yea they have a right to live.
And be thrown into the general population of prisoners who will rightly take care of him.
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Old 10-26-2002, 08:54 PM   #18
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but why should they have a right to live?
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Old 10-26-2002, 10:18 PM   #19
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God’s Word acknowledges this and does not forbid it.
"An eye for an eye..."

I have always found it intriguing how much violence we can justify in the Bible, and, yet, those who try and find "love" are picking and choosing. Whatever happened to "turn the other cheek" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? "God's Word" does not permit the death penalty, unless, I guess, you choose to read the OT, which, seemingly, hates and kills everyone.

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but why should they have a right to live?
A philosophical question:

Why do we have a right to live?

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why should we not have the right to live? It's not like I plan on killing anyone or molesting children. I might actually benefit society.
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"An eye for an eye..."

I have always found it intriguing how much violence we can justify in the Bible, and, yet, those who try and find "love" are picking and choosing. Whatever happened to "turn the other cheek" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? "God's Word" does not permit the death penalty, unless, I guess, you choose to read the OT, which, seemingly, hates and kills everyone.

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Both principles we are discussing are supported by Scripture in many places. Finding love is not picking and choosing by any means. On a personal basis, loving God and loving our neighbors are our first two priorities. That is not in dispute.

A criminal can receive forgiveness from God and the victim and still receive punishment from the established government (including a death penalty).

The OT and NT are both fully God's Word. The message from Genesis through Revelation is consistent (though true understanding can only come from the Holy Spirit).

Peace brother.
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Absolutely against.
> I´m not God to decide whether somebody should live or not
> Some people who may later be proven innocent may be executed
> Lifetime deprivation of freedom is enough or worse punishment in my view

The use of taxpayers money to maintain convicts is indeed a point to consider. Maybe some planning should be devised to have convicts do some work or give some service to the community to put that money into some good use. I can't think of anything in particular now since I haven't really analysed it in depth, but there must certainly be something they can do.
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i dont know. i wouldnt know if i can be pro-death or against it. thats a hard question to answer. everyone makes good points in here. i guess it depends how extreme the crime committed. and to me, the cost of executing someone for their crimes wouldnt really matter to me. its justice.
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i may be misunderstanding this...but you're saying if someone might get off because of DNA evidence...we should kill them before that happens?




I have reread my post three times. I think it was fairly clear that my intent was to say DNA has nothing to do with the sniper, and that in cases where DNA can be used it should be.

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"An eye for an eye..."

I have always found it intriguing how much violence we can justify in the Bible, and, yet, those who try and find "love" are picking and choosing. Whatever happened to "turn the other cheek" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? "God's Word" does not permit the death penalty, unless, I guess, you choose to read the OT, which, seemingly, hates and kills everyone.

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So God's word is not present in the Old Testament?
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"An eye for an eye..."

I have always found it intriguing how much violence we can justify in the Bible, and, yet, those who try and find "love" are picking and choosing. Whatever happened to "turn the other cheek" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? "God's Word" does not permit the death penalty, unless, I guess, you choose to read the OT, which, seemingly, hates and kills everyone.

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Please, show me an example in the New Testament where Christ stood up in defense of people who have killed or murdered others?

Yes he stopped the prostitue from being stoned to death, but again, look at the crime, she did not kill anyone.

It is kind of hard to turn the other cheek when you are dead. Who speaks for those people?
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why should we not have the right to live? It's not like I plan on killing anyone or molesting children. I might actually benefit society.
This only turns the philosophical quest around. So you think that someone who benefits society, has a right to live, whereas a person who doesn´t benefit society ( - - and commits horrendous crimes) also doesn´t have the right to live?

I don´t want to speak on behalf of the bible or how I interprete it. I just think that many people who are guilty, die. Many more people who are innocent also die. Can I, or society, give back life to them? No. So the society I live in should not be too easy with taking life.
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So sparkysgrrrl, you are saying that child rapists have a right to live?
The rapist that is raped or abused by others in their childhood ?
Those people have psychical problems ( most of the time )
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The rapist that is raped or abused by others in their childhood ?
Those people have psychical problems ( most of the time )
So this means should anything horrific happen to you in your childhood, you should be excused from exercising moral judgement?

There are plenty of people in the world who are abused mentally and physically who somehow manage to be outstanding citizens of the community without causing harm to their fellow man.

One problem with the society in which we live in is we have become enablers. Anyone who has been dealt a bad hand at the card table has an excuse for this that or the other thing. They should not be held accountable for whatever wrong they do in the world.

If you want to lesson the number of people who wind up on death row, start with accountability for ones actions at a young age. This starts at home. So many brilliant minds wasted because mom and/or dad are more concerned with making excuses than accountability for behaviors.

And fathers stop leaving the education of your children up to your child's mother. I can count on one hand the number of fathers I have seen at a parent conference in almost eight years of teaching. Get involved in your child's life, more than just showing up for their athletic events. It does not take much. And if you are divorced, take the time to give more than you can to be involved with your kid........I have met one divorced father in the same time span. Show that you are accountable for your actions as well. The biggest action you have undertaken in your life is to create that child.

Maybe then, there will be less people on death row.


Peace to all......Sorry for rambling.
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