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Old 07-10-2002, 03:40 PM   #31
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Ok fine Fizzing and deep.
Next time your car breaks down in the gheto call a gangbanger for help.
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I don't own a car, diamond. But if I did and it broke down then I believe I'd call the AA or RAC, rather than the police.

I don't understand why you find any criticism of the police so unacceptable. Yes, they provide an important service, but this doesn't mean they're above reproach. By this logic we would also fail to condemn sexual abuse in the church, or teachers who assault their pupils.
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Old 07-10-2002, 04:08 PM   #32
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My old pal Zone.. I think I've found the latest species of prey for you to hunt down and warn her of a nice forkful of Humble Pie to drop right in her shorts one of these days.. Our Dearest Fizzing.. I think she's fits the bill pretty perfectly.



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Just a recent Editorial on Maxine Water's Ineptness..

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One of the things I love about this job is that you just never know what's going to happen next. Well, we were treated to one of those delectably fun moments recently, courtesy of Democratic California Congresswoman Maxine Waters.

Waters appeared Monday at a House hearing on the WorldCom accounting errors, and let's just say she'll make a good candidate for any political blooper shows out there. Waters identified the investment banking company Salomon Smith Barney as Salomon Barney Frank. What made it funny was that she didn't even blink. Completely oblivious to her error, she kept on talking. Meanwhile, everyone behind her was trying not to laugh, but they couldn't control themselves and it distracted her. She finally abandoned the prepared text and went to the Democrat playbook, giving her usual spiel of the little people getting screwed by the rich.

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Old 07-10-2002, 04:38 PM   #33
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My old pal Zone.. I think I've found the latest species of prey for you to hunt down and warn her of a nice forkful of Humble Pie to drop right in her shorts one of these days.. Our Dearest Fizzing.. I think she's fits the bill pretty perfectly.
Lemonite,
If you'd like to discuss politics then I'd be perfectly happy to do so. However, from our recent discussions both in private messages and on this forum, I'm led to believe that you're more interested in petty personal conflicts than the real issues involved. If I'm mistaken about this and you are serious about discussing politics without resorting to jokes or insults then I apologise and I'm willing to participate in any reasonable discussion.

However, please don't send me any more private messages, I found your last message offensive and I've no desire to continue such conversation. There should be no problem with any discussion between us being held in a public forum.

Thanks for your time,
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Old 07-10-2002, 05:55 PM   #34
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diamond, ehh, let's not resort to saying things like that. what you said reminded me of the time i was standing outside waiting at a grocery store for my dad on christmas eve and they were closing up. i was talking to one of the managers as he was standing by the entrance telling them they were closed. one guy walked up (mind you, this is like 7 or 8 at night, shouldn't these people have bought their christmas dinner long before now?) and he turned him away. the guy immaturely retorted, "next time you have a robbery, you'll see how fast we (the police) get here." same goes for you, lemonite. weren't you the person who told me about a month ago you didn't make personal attacks?

anyway, everything is really speculation until the suveillance tapes are released to the public, so we can see what happened beforehand. but regardless, beating a minor while he is freaking HANDCUFFED is inexcusable. i don't care if the minor turned around and opened fire, that's just not right. especially for officers of the law, who are supposed to be protecting us. since he'd already put a person into a coma, it sounds to me like this cop is one of those abusers of the law. you know, everyone has run into someone like this. maybe not a cop, but someone who abuses the power that's been given to them. i've seen cops turn around and turn on their lights and sirens just to go through a red light because they don't feel like waiting. and trust me, i ended up being able to see them for quite a long time to know they weren't trying to catch up to someone speeding or something. hell, my mom got into a horrible accident over 30 years ago with a cop who ran a red light who had no business being out of the office. he ended up getting fired. but i digress.

as many others have said, especially deep (great post! btw), that i can't believe some people don't at the very least think perhaps this cop did overstep his authority. maybe he was a bit too harsh. i can understand why our mere saying these things don't persuade you to change your mind, i'm just hoping that maybe once the other tapes see the public eye, that it is realized by everyone how horrible of a crime it was. whether it was racial or whatever really doesn't matter. i don't care if it was a 16 year old black male, a 30 year old white female, or an 85 year old asian male. it's a horrible thing to do.

on the flip side, i am interested in hearing the kid's side of the story. why did he feel the need to start going at the cop? all they were doing was being pulled over for expired tags and his father having a suspended license. i wonder if he was trying to hide something. this is one story i'm going to be fairly interested in watching the facts unfold.
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Old 07-10-2002, 06:09 PM   #35
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Re: Racism in LA.

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BAW True racism exists in So.Cal.

I grew up next to Watts in the city South Gate.
For a white kid this was tough.
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IAM AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY ALSO
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THIS-

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Private messages are just that.. PRIVATE.

They are not to be discussed on the board, no matter who you are.

People have been banned for this. If you have something to say to someone about their private messages, tell them in private.
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Lemonite,
If you'd like to discuss politics then I'd be perfectly happy to do so. However, from our recent discussions both in private messages and on this forum, I'm led to believe that you're more interested in petty personal conflicts than the real issues involved. If I'm mistaken about this and you are serious about discussing politics without resorting to jokes or insults then I apologise and I'm willing to participate in any reasonable discussion.

However, please don't send me any more private messages, I found your last message offensive and I've no desire to continue such conversation. There should be no problem with any discussion between us being held in a public forum.

Thanks for your time,
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I find this interesting.. 'Personal Conflicts'.. I never use such tactics, only Ideas.. 'Strict Blind Idealism' is what is under question here.

I won't comment on anything else, as PM conversations are just that .. Private.. You've stepped in some shit there dear.

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Re: Racism in LA.

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Originally posted by diamond LEST WE FOR GET ...HERE IT IS AGAIN-
IAM AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY
[BTrue racism exists in So.Cal

I grew up next to Watts in the city South Gate.

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IAM AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY ALSO
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THIS-
Again-
IAM AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY.
Hope this clears any misconceptions.

Perspective ppl.
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I have no idea why on earth anyone would want to be an inner-city cop in the United States, if you over-react to a situation you are persecuted, if you under-react you are lying on your back in the morgue

these guys have one of the most dangerous and most difficult jobs in the world, let's get all the facts before we sentence these fellars
you forgot to mention that thier pay is shit(e) too (at least until they get some rank under their belts)

Or sould i say their pay dosen't reflect the dangers they go up against daily
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Maddie-
Welcome to our Jungle.

Seriously-
Perspective is needed here:idea:

Before the event was being recorded..

What did the young fella do to provoke the officer?
Did he just blow the head off of a 98 yr old woman?
Did he spit in the officer's face?
Perspective.
or
Did the officer not get enough lovin from mama at home..making him a shitty day, or serve bad coffee at the local donut house..?

Lets not rush to judgement..

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dear mr diamond:

Perspective???????? It doesn't matter what this young fellow may have done to provoke Officer Morse before he was handcuffed...his conduct as a police officer was reprehensible. Period. End of debate. When the cuff's are on and the suspect is under control that's it...no further force is necessary. Police manuals teach this.

My goodness...how can ANYONE justify this cop's actions...even the former chief of internal affairs of the D.C. police department said this afternoon on CNN that had the suspect spit on Officer Morse that still would not justify, quantify, rationalize, warrant, etc etc his conduct!

Honestly mr diamond, if you are somehow suggesting that Officer Morse's actions were acceptable based on how this 16 year old, mentally challenged youth acted towards him PRIOR to the cuffs being slapped on him than that scares me. It doesn't matter. The kid was cuffed. In fact, news reports today indicate he was freakin' UNCONSCIOUS...until the enraged Officer Morse went ballistic and slammed his head against the car! And the punch to the head...you can't honestly defend that and still sleep at night...can you?

diamond...even your righteous brother on the right Sean Hannity (one of the most scarriest men in America) of Fox News went so far as to say the officer's actions were "disturbing" , "troubling" and "inexcusable".

Perspective??????? None required in this case. The officer's actions speak for themself and are disgusting.

Rush to judgement??????? Hardly. America doesn't need any hot headed cops with anger management problems policing our streets.

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Its been settled.
Bad Coffee..Mr PoliceMan was a victim of bad coffee

Just kidding
It was wrong ..
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I was surprised to find this topic on the forum, as police brutality is so common here.
This was bad, but not nearly as bad as it gets. Nearly everyone is suspicious of cops here, and rightly so.
I avoid them, although I have run into a few very sweet and funny ones lately, like the traffic cop who "threatened" to give me a ticket the other day for walking too fast! .
But you cant trust them.

And there is much racism torwards whites as well as blacks.

This cop should of course be fired, but its important to remember that there are sooooo many cases much worse than this one that we dont even here about...
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Wow, I'm surprised the story was reported in countries other than the US- it must give everyone a real nice view of the US!

Anyway, it's a shame that some cops abuse their authority like this. And we only ever hear about the brutality that was caught on tape- just think of how many instances go unreported because there's no real evidence. Like Wanderer said, I really don't know why anyone would want to be a cop in an area like that. They're brave for taking on those jobs- maybe they hope to make a difference, but it seems like it's only getting worse.
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Wow, I'm surprised the story was reported in countries other than the US- it must give everyone a real nice view of the US!

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hey...like I said in my earlier post...at least now its being reported ...there was a time within my memory when stuff like this would get swept under the carpet completely....no one would know....

Its out in the open now...and they can't hide. I think its good the world knows...no more secrets..

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This is one of the few "cop myths" that my husband will admit to
LOL- when was the last time you heard of a donut shop being robbed? Those places are the safest, best "patroled" businesses in the world.
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