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Old 06-29-2004, 03:46 PM   #61
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nice, dave.

Here is my question....now that the Bloc(heads) Quebec (or whatever they are called) have a few more seats....when can we expect the Canadian Civil War to break out?

All joking aside, it is apparent Quebec will try to leave Canada again...can it happen?
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Old 06-29-2004, 04:03 PM   #62
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Duceppe doesn't have the Bouchardian inclination, from what he has said in the past few days. Considering the situation of a minority government, and his commitment to work towards a more fluent relationship with Ottawa, I don't think sovereignty is on the horizon... in any capacity. There is still some liberal sentiment left in Quebec, and it appears their mandate is more attractive to the sovereigntists than the Conservatives.

or something.
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Old 06-29-2004, 10:39 PM   #63
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even still...if all things stay as they are now, we could see a referendum somewhere around 2010.

and if this record setting support for the bloc stays constant....it could be a close one
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nice, dave.
What the hell?

Why must you insist on making a sarcastic comment to everything I post??

I said nothing personally to you. I made a comment that I don't like the results and I feel that there will be another election very soon. It did not warrant a snarky comment from you.
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Is it real support for the Bloc, or is it more out of dissatisfaction with the Liberals (for the corruption) and the Conservatives (for being assholes)? In other words, do they really want to separate, or are they just trying to make a statement?

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even still...if all things stay as they are now, we could see a referendum somewhere around 2010.

and if this record setting support for the bloc stays constant....it could be a close one
Sadly, if you replaced the word bloc with conservative... your post could easily be describing Alberta. I didn't say that with a straight face, but there was an ounce of truth to it. All that western sentiment conjured by Klein... I would feel safer blinking if he was out of office.

yet I persist...

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My feeling is that the Bloc success was partially due to dissatisfaction with the Liberals. I don't think separatist feelings are any stronger than they have been in the past.
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while the seperatist bloc were successful in attracting votes, they are not so much votes for seperation-and duceppe knows that. he is being careful not to force the issue.

but with the provincial liberal government in power needing a new mandate sometime in the next year and presently proving very unpopular in polls, the provincial parti quebecois will likely have a good shot at capturing the regional control. if this were to happen, the framework for a sovereigntist movement in the medium term future would exist.
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hmm,
I'll wait for Michael Moore to make a documentary on a possible seperation before I'll make up my own mind whether that would be a good or a bad move
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Old 06-30-2004, 12:02 PM   #70
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Looking for clarification....

How would a seperation work? Would all of Canada vote for it, or would would all of Quebec vote on it, and if passed...it would struggle with Ottawa until they are allowed to be "spun off"?
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As far as I was told in school...

If the PQ and the Bloc both felt there was enough support for a successful referendum with a "oui" vote, they would hold a Quebec-wide referendum. If it succeeds with at least a 2/3rds majority (Clarity Act in play here) then Quebec would not automatically separate. It would just be a definitive sign to begin the process. Then there would be some things that go through the courts (legal stuff) and then after a few months Qubec could legally separate.

Then the question is whether Qubec would become part of France or become its own country. I don't think right off the bat that Qubec could be a fully functioning country on its own. I think it'd become a colony of France for a period of time until it could self-sustain.

Another question was what would happen to everything east of Quebec (NS, NB, PEI, Newfoundland). Some say that we would become part of the US, some say that we'd basically turn into a colony of Canada. Either way it'd be bad for the Atlantic Provinces.
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Alaska for the Maritimes. How 'bout it America?

We'll throw in the Grand Banks and Baltic Avenue.

Do it.
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Some say that we would become part of the US
That is just complete nonsense and I don't know where people get this stuff from. I've also heard Ontario joining the US, BC joining the US, Alberta joining the US, and just about zero fact to back this up.

Turks and Caicos will sooner become the 11th Canadian province than any one of the existing ones joining the US.
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Old 07-01-2004, 01:08 PM   #74
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Thanks for the info dave!

I agree, I can't imagine Quebec (or any country/region in that type of situation) being a fully functional country right of the bat.

As for the Eastern Provinces....why would they want to "leave" Canada?
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Alaska for the Maritimes. How 'bout it America?

We'll throw in the Grand Banks and Baltic Avenue.

Do it.
We'll throw in the Dakotas, UPers and keep "the pipeline" as long as we can surround your Quebec borders with 70 foot walls!

DEAL!

Quick question: when Quebec leaves Canada, will the CFL kick out the Alouettes????
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