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Old 06-15-2004, 09:22 PM   #31
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Even if the Conservatives win, they will have a minority government. A minority government lasts, on average 18 months in Canada.

It might be even shorter than that this time around. The Liberals and the NDP will ally and the Bloc is much too leftist and has already said they will not ally with the Conservatives due to issues like gay marriage, Kyoto and abortion.

So, expect a no-confidence vote in about a year's time, at which point the Liberals will probably be re-elected. The Conservatives are pretty much the only right wing party out there and they'll be out on their own in the parliament.
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Old 06-16-2004, 09:14 AM   #32
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one thing not being discussed in the media during this election is the pick up that left wing parties have made. both the conservative vote, then broken into alliance and progressive conservative, and the liberals have fallen since the 2000 election.

this loss in popular support has been captured exclusively by the bloc in quebec, and was exclusively limited to the liberals. in the rest of the nation, the ndp have been benefactors and the green party have risen to the point where they very well may attain official party status.

2000 election results

alliance 25.5%
prog cons 12.2%
liberals 40.8%
bloc que 10.7%
ndp 8.3%
other 2.3%

here the conservatives and liberals captured nearly 80% of the popular vote.

latest polling shows the conservatives with about 32% support, the liberals with slightly less @ 31%-at best the two total 65%.
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I was in a motel in Utica, NY last night, and I ended up watching the English-language debate on C-SPAN2 (What can I say? I was bored, and there was nothing on until "South Park" at 9:30 :P).

But I was earnestly intrigued by a four-party debate, and I laughed watching all four of them bite at each other. Layton was quite funny, particularly when he picked on Martin, and Harper is a nut. A complete misleading nut. Don't like the man at all!

But yeah...the fact that the Liberal party is very center-left meant that the Conservatives and the NDP could gang up on Martin given the opportunity--either for not being "conservative" enough or not being "liberal" enough. As for the Bloc candidate, maybe I need to brush up on my Québecer Canadian English; I couldn't understand half of what he was saying.

Nonetheless, I found it all interesting, and I figured that some knowledge of the current Canadian political situation couldn't hurt, since it seems that most Canadians seem to know what's going on in the U.S.

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Ooh I watched the debate. I thikn I am in love with Jack Layton. *hides* Harper seems likk such a slimeball. Well okay, most politicians are slimeballs, but him especially so. I think Layton is so passionate and has good speaking skills. Plus the NDP were the only party to come visit my school for Student Vote 2004.
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I really don't know what to do. NOTHING could be worse than letting Harper in, so I am tempted to vote liberal strategically to edge him out. I like Paul Martin, but I'm suspicious of ALL of them. The issues that the NDP promotes, especially the environmental side are most important to me, but again, I'd rather vote for the Devil you know than the Devil you don't. The Greens are actually extremely right wing, few people know that.

WHAT TO DO!?!?!?
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the greens are right wing but i wouldn't classify them as extreme. i lumped them with the 'left' because, as you mentioned, that is the popular vision of them.
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So should I vote strategically or based on party platform? I don't think there's anything wrong with the Liberal platform, I don't like the idea of rewarding bad behaviour, but the alternative is so much worse.....
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i face a similar dilemna.

my career in the public service would likely flourish within harper's downsized government not only because i am young and educated but also because my french is, and always will be, under development (and he would decimate language requirements for the public service). but his policies are the opposite of what i agree with so it is a no go.

i like some ndp policies and some liberal.

in the end i am voting for downtown ottawa's ndp candidate and former party leader: ed broadbent. it is an easy decision as i feel broadbent will be a valuable voice in the house of commons-no matter which party forms the government.

i do not believe in voting strategically, except maybe in the case of quebec. but my liberal:ndp dilemna is settled by my local candidate.
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I've decided to vote strategically. The thought of a "Conservative" (actually Reform in all but name) government scares me. I used to always vote Green, but they've really shifted to the right on economic matters. I like the NDP's platform for the most part, but they stand no chance of forming a government, so it's the Liberals by default. ( And I do like Paul Martin.)
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My riding is neck and neck Conservative/Liberal and it's hard to say what will happen because I'm in a brand new riding and we therefore have no incumbent.

Everyone in my house is planning on voting NDP, but my brother is slowly trying to convince us to vote strategically instead.
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Ack I wish I could vote so badly. One year tomorrow and I can *shakes fist*
I'm so glad we had that student vote thing. I know it doesnt really technically matter much but I think it means a lot because in a few years when we can all vote we may actually vote now that people my age will be more aware of this sort of thing.
Okay that may have made no sense whatsoever. I'm just mad that I know peopel who CAN vote but wont for some reason.
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wow.

tory mp randy white dismisses the charter of rights and freedoms and the role of courts in our federal system.
popular liberals urge their brethren to vote ndp.

with only a weekend to go and the libs and cons running neck and neck, the only positive momentum appears to lye with the ndp. it seems we are headed for a period of political, and likely economic and social, upheaval with a 2nd election in a matter of months.
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Let's say hypothetically I'm in Harper's riding.

Because I am.

I'm thinking strategic voting won't help. Any opinions to the contrary?
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I'm thinking strategic voting won't help. Any opinions to the contrary?
lets say, hypothetically, that each party got a $1.75 per vote once they attain a certain percentage of the popular vote (~5% i think).

because they do.

your $1.75 could certainly go to the big 3 or perhaps the greens for the early 2005 election.
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lets say, hypothetically, that each party got a $1.75 per vote once they attain a certain percentage of the popular vote (~5% i think).

because they do.

your $1.75 could certainly go to the big 3 or perhaps the greens for the early 2005 election.
The Green Party?

If she was in Harpers riding and she didnt want to vote conservative why then would she vote green, as the green asre more conservative then the PC's!

just vote NDP and be done with it...
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