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Old 05-31-2004, 05:24 PM   #16
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I don't know Anitram. I rode the King car for 2 years every day from Roncesvalles to Bathurst and the service was really inconsistent. I could wait 5 minute or 20 at rush hour.

I never had that problem on either the Spadina route or the Dundas or College routes, west of University. Believe me, the buses are a hundred times worse than streetcars, especially the ones which go up and down the 427 at rush hour. Express my ass.
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Old 06-02-2004, 04:28 PM   #17
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The buses are horrendous!

I suppose the Spadina route is excellent because its dedicated.

I have faith in Martin and Layton (more so in Layton) to recognise how vital public transport is. It seems like a no-brainer, I can't believe how much it has been fucked up.
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I'm voting for the Green Party.

No really, I am. :whome:
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Old 06-03-2004, 09:38 PM   #19
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I read more on the Conservative leader. The man is clearly nuts.

Do any of you seriously think that the Conservatives will win? Because it appears that this is just the fanatical Canadian Alliance with a new name.

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IDo any of you seriously think that the Conservatives will win? Because it appears that this is just the fanatical Canadian Alliance with a new name.
Well, it appears that way because that's exactly what it is.

It honestly all depends on Ontario. If the Conservatives win, they have to thank the Liberal Premier of Ontario for his brilliant health care premium idea - not a terrible idea in itself, but completely conservative in its approach (ie. let's tax the poor not the rich). And even if the Conservatives win, they will have a minority goverment. Yes, they can align with the Bloc, but the NDP would align with the Liberals and we'd have 4-5 years of an essential stalemate.

God forbid they win though.
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And once again I'm back to "undecided". :s
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:32 AM   #22
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I read more on the Conservative leader. The man is clearly nuts.
That's what I've been telling the many around me, but it seems the only tangible platform in the prairie west lies in the conservation of crude capital. Besides, insane campaign promises are always preferable to rational convictions...

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Do any of you seriously think that the Conservatives will win? Because it appears that this is just the fanatical Canadian Alliance with a new name.
With the current distaste for all major parties in the country, it's difficult to foresee any result other than a minority government (split somewhere between liberals and conservatives). Recent polls affirm that, and there isn't much political time left for any party to take the forefront.

The fanaticism of the Alliance will endure as long as the West and other satellite provinces retain their objections to the current system of representation. I'm not suggesting the claims are unfounded, but hopefully in the future the manifestation of the West's concern is pursued for their interests... instead of the current reactionary form of Harper.

Until the nature of politics is uprooted, and people actually start presenting opinions and ideas (rather than rhetoric and attack)... Canada will not be "progressive" (in the most non-polar connotation possible).

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at the moment, yes, it appears harper and his conservatives can win.

but team martin (that is the result of liberal rebranding efforts, promotion of 'leader' [trustworthy, intelligent] rather than 'party' [corrupt, scandal-bound]) is embarking on a concerted effort to make this a campaign of issues: abortion, gay rights, bilingualism. the conservatives will soon begin to increase the accountability rhetoric beyond its presently high level.

i talked with former ndp party leader ed broadbent on my way in to my office this morning. he is running in ottawa centre. nice guy.
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:52 AM   #24
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make this a campaign of issues: abortion, gay rights, bilingualism. the conservatives will soon begin to increase the accountability rhetoric beyond its presently high level.


But those arent issues. Abortion is not an issue, its a done deal. Gay rights is an issue but not a huge one for the average voter. And bilingualism? That might be an issue in Quebec but we know how they are voting.

I wanna hear about health care, preservation of our non-renewable resources, EDUCATION, Military.

Those are issues. The others are after thoughts!

Also, i live in the west, and hate the conservatives and the liberals but if you take an honest look at the conservative platform there are alot of simulatrities to the liberals and anything that the liberals propose that is actually LIBERAL is from the NDP. So the only party that isnt a clone of the other is the NDP thus they will get my vote!
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But those arent issues. Abortion is not an issue, its a done deal. Gay rights is an issue but not a huge one for the average voter. And bilingualism? That might be an issue in Quebec but we know how they are voting.

I wanna hear about health care, preservation of our non-renewable resources, EDUCATION, Military.
that's the point-the liberal party will attempt to cast them as issues or items that would come under fire in a stephen harper led canada.

going into the campaign it was expected the conservatives would gain some ground on the liberals, maybe get a minority government. but thus far, the tories have run a very clean campaign which has left the media with nothing exciting and liberal ministers ambushing conservative candidates in the street. the liberals will now try to force the slip ups and embarassments.
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that's the point-the liberal party will attempt to cast them as issues or items that would come under fire in a stephen harper led canada.

going into the campaign it was expected the conservatives would gain some ground on the liberals, maybe get a minority government. but thus far, the tories have run a very clean campaign which has left the media with nothing exciting and liberal ministers ambushing conservative candidates in the street. the liberals will now try to force the slip ups and embarassments.
Looks like you're right on the money.

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the conservatives are micro-controlling their message and limiting the inane slip-ups/or moments of honesty of intentions (whichever you choose to believe) on the part of their candidates.

from the cbc.ca

repealing a law making it a hate crime to belittle one for their sexual orientation, third party counselling for abortion, reintroducing the death penalty, constitutionally banned gay marriage-none of these were really issues until the conservative candidate began to talk
and many of the conservative candidate's expressed positions are not ones that many canadians envision for their nation. after more than a decade of liberal rule, these ideas have become not just un-Liberal but un-Canadian. these are the things the liberals have to create and/or capitalize upon-essentially steal some of jack layton's socialist fire.
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Thats what Martin likes to do, steal Laytons platform and make it Liberal.

I understand what you are saying now kobi. You are totally right. Personally i think social issues drive the majority of voting in Cnada. Economics isnt as important. Health care to me is a social issue. Education is social. EI is social. Thats what Martin needs to bring forward to Canada. But he has a terrible record on most of what he speaks, including same sex marriage. He is calling for a free vote on same sex marriage, great, but isnt Harper and the conservatives wanting to do the same.

I just cant see the Liberal turning this around. I hate them more then the conservatives and i'm semi socialist.
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some polls now showing the conservatives with a slight lead, some show a dead heat.

next weeks debates could be a turning point-martin will have to perform much better than he has in public so far.
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The french-language debate was tonight. I watched as much as I could, and nobody was really winning. Paul Martin was doing the standard villifying of the Conservatives, trying to make abortion a campaign issue, etc. Jack Layton looked like a fish out of water, and Stephen Harper was stumbling over his words (his French is the worst of the 4 leaders'). Gilles Duceppe seemed to be just a placeholder, but if I absolutely had to give an edge to someone it would be Gilles Duceppe.

English-language debate is tomorrow night, should be a good watch. I hope someone murders Paul Martin and the Liberals tomorrow.
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