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Old 05-07-2003, 11:29 PM   #31
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If you and the Canadian people are that desperate to have Bush in your country, then I agree he should get his ass up there.
Yeah, that must be it.
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Old 05-08-2003, 02:17 AM   #32
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Once again Sting you come off as what most in the world community think of Americans. Arrogant people.

I know that most are not. But people like you give some the impression that most Americans are.

How can i go on debating something with you when you are being so childish and self centered. And to think i actually thought of you as respectful!
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Old 05-08-2003, 02:45 AM   #33
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Lets take a look at what I said.


"If you and the Canadian people are that desperate to have Bush in your country, then I agree he should get his ass up there. But Canada's level of support for US policy around the world has not been to the level of some other countries. I just find it funny that Canada is so pissed off that, a man that most of them write off as an immuture idiot, has not come to their country yet. The depression and anxiety must be overwhelming regardless of the tradition of state visits in the past"

In the first sentence I go out on a limb and agree that perhaps Bush should go to Canada and that missing the date may have been the wrong thing to do.

In the second sentence I honestly mention that Canada's level of support for the USA has not been as high as some other countries, so Canada should not expect the same red carpet treatment that the UK and Australia, both countries with troops on the ground in Iraq, recieve.

In the third sentence, I go into the fact that many Canadians disagree with the Bush administration on several key foreign policy issues. There are definitely some Canadians who would rather Bush did not come or don't think its a big issue that he has not.
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oops, I just hit the enter button cutting of my posts.

The fourth sentence was probably unnecessary and inflamatory and I'm sorry if it has upset people. I meant it as a joke on the fact that I think(perhaps I am wrong) that most Canadians don't want Bush to come or don't think its a major diplomatic crises that he has not come.

I was origionally just going to stop with the first sentence and say that if Canadian people are this angry about the visit, then its probably a good idea that Bush get up there. Perhaps I should of stopped there.
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Sting, I appreciate what you are saying, but if you had just said it that way in the first place, it would have gone over much better.

Also, no one is saying we want red carpet treatment. Just respect that's all.
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Ugh - this issue is embarrassing to me.

It must be very frustrating for Canadians to support the USA and diplomacy and receive kicks in the teeth for it. It's like having a bossy older brother - you can never win against him.

and if Canada didn't support the USA, all Americans would remember that (and boycott Canadian goods, travel) yet not many Americans understand that our president isn't initially showing respect to Canada- I can't believe he's never been there once! And it's not for patronizing that he has to go- it's out of respect for an ally nation.
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If you and the Canadian people are that desperate to have Bush in your country, then I agree he should get his ass up there. But Canada's level of support for US policy around the world has not been to the level of some other countries. I just find it funny that Canada is so pissed off that, a man that most of them write off as an immuture idiot, has not come to their country yet. The depression and anxiety must be overwhelming regardless of the tradition of state visits in the past.
May I,

In your first sentance you say that we are desperate to have Bush come here. Desperate is going a bit far but when we are talking about our biggest friend and most traded with partner i just dont see how its a big deal to come and visit.

Canada's level of support has been up to other countries. You seem to forget that we are fighting the war on terror we have worked closely with the US gov't to tighten the borders and we are supporting you know and would have if it was sanctioned through the UN.

Thrid sentance. Where does it say, anywhere, that most of us write him off as an immature idiot. Even if most of Canada did post him as an immautre idiot he is a immature idiot that rep. your country and should be doing all in his power to reach out and stengthen relationships with his closest friends. Oh and by the way my provience (well Premier) wrote a letter to the US Amb. saying that Alberta supported him and there was many marches supporting America. how many marches do you even see in the states never mind a different country. And to say that most Canadians think that way take a look at your own country. A large portion of the country doesnt even want him as their own.

Yes i shouldnt have wrote this because it was all settled but i feel that you crossed a line.
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Don't feel too poorly, all you Canuckys, Bush hasn't come here either, and Johnny Howard and him are best buds. Ha, we just get a patronising acknowledgement every now and then like we are hillbillies from some backwater who get a huge kick out of 'oh, and I'd like to thank Australia as well as the Academy'. Truth probably is, Bush will only ever go where he feels it will serve his interests best.
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Bonoman,

Canada is the only one making a big deal about the visit or the lack of one.

I never said Canada was not supporting the USA, I said Canada's support was not equal to a country like the United Kingdom. 50,000 British troops were involved in operation Iraqi Freedom. How many did Canada send?

"how many marches do you even see in the states never mind a different country."

What a joke that statement is. I have been involved in such marches supporting the President and are troops.

As far as what most Americans think, over 80% supported the war in Iraq. President Bush has a 73% approval rating from the American people. See if you can beat that or come close Canada.

I crossed the line? I stated my opinion. I did not personaly attack anyone here unlike what some others have done in the past. If I had a dollar for every statement on a similar level or greater thats been thrown at my country in here, I would have a million dollars. Say something controversial about the United States and you get praised in here. Say something controversial about another country like Canada, and the knives come out.
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As far as what most Americans think, over 80% supported the war in Iraq. President Bush has a 73% approval rating from the American people. See if you can beat that or come close Canada.
What?

What should we beat? American support for Bush?
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Well we dont have 50000 troops. Sorry.

You are not critizing my gov't so much as the people of my country, me or anyone that lives here. Because we are not at your beck and call we get punnished?

Because some people dont agree with your President we should be shunned and not recognized?

We are huge parteners and help eachother to a huge degree. That is the only thing that should matter. Not if we didnt send 50000 troops to fight a war. By your standards the only nation that should be visited is the UK. We support the US in many different ways that the UK cannot support you in.

Where did all the flights land when 9/11 happened? Where were Americans and people of the world welcomed and housed, feed, and made feel welcomed. Canada.

I dont care if our countries politicians disagree about everything (remember they are only politicians) our two countries are bound by economics and geograpghy therefore should be treated accordingly.
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As far as what most Americans think, over 80% supported the war in Iraq. President Bush has a 73% approval rating from the American people. See if you can beat that or come close Canada.
It's down to 65% this week. That's a 12 point drop from his high of 77%. Bush senior had a 90 something % and looked what happened to him. This payment to the rich he's making will finish him off.

I'd be glad he wasn't visiting your country. I wish to hell he wasn't in ours.
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The 65% is the approval rating for Bush's handling of the economy - which is on the rise. Also growing support for tax cuts. Thank God.
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The 65% is the approval rating for Bush's handling of the economy - which is on the rise. Also growing support for tax cuts. Thank God.
When you make a $200 million deal with the Devil for 2004...

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Well we dont have 50000 troops. Sorry.
Bush needs his friends to regularly bribe him, otherwise he forgets about them--and then you aren't "with him." Meaning that you are "against him." Meaning that everyone is out to get him. But hey...what an excuse to embroil the U.S. into perpetual conflict, eh? Then he can find another excuse to take a military jet onto an aircraft carrier and put on another pilot costume. After all, it's FUN to play dress-up. He even got to dress-up and pretend to be the President of the United States the other day...

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