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Old 12-16-2001, 01:27 AM   #16
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how is Mogilny playing? the Devils sure miss him, his abscence has made Scott Gomez virtually ineffective (since he's a playmaker and has no one to set-up anymore)
mogilny is still going on the same streaks that he always had-4 goals in the first 2 games, 1 goal for the next 15, so and so forth. right now though he is definetely hot, i think coming in to tonight he had like 6 or 7 points in the past 2 games and he got one tonight. he and sundin have sparked the leafs powerplay and his line with tucker and corson is beginning to play well.

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well Toronto is like the rest of Canada, useless when it counts (think Game 6 in 2000 and 7 in 2001 against the Devils; also WWI & WWII), so Comrade Mogilny fits right in!
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Well, as for world wars, they're all pretty useless aren't they?

As for Canada, the Stanley Cup has been won by more Canadian teams than American, I believe. Can anyone verify this? Besides, Canadian players make up the largest percentage on EVERY team, so it's really a mute point. But, yes, Wanderer, I know you're only trying to stir up shit...

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Canada plays the US for the Stanley Cup??? so you think that World War II was useless?
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No, of course Canada doesn't play the U.S. for the cup. I was just alluding to your statement that Toronto is useless just like the rest of Canada when it comes to winning big games. Here's what you said:
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well Toronto is like the rest of Canada, useless when it counts (think Game 6 in 2000 and 7 in 2001 against the Devils; also WWI & WWII), so Comrade Mogilny fits right in!
So, if you're talking hockey, you can see why I thought you were talking about Canadian hockey teams (you did, afterall, bring up the Toronto Maple Leafs). I thought you were saying Toronto chokes just like all Canadian teams do. Anyway...as for world war I and II being useless, I meant that war as a concept is useless, and I can't go back and rewrite history, so I must accept that history as a part of reality. Was it useless as a concept? Yes.

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As for Canada, the Stanley Cup has been won by more Canadian teams than American, I believe. Can anyone verify this?
well the habs have 24, i think, the leafs with 13, edmonton with 5(or is it 4?) and calgary has 1. all that is for the most part NHL era and if you wanna go before that i believe it was almost entirely canadian teams winning it-so yes i woulld say more canadian based teams have won the cup, but what does that prove?

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It's not supposed to prove much of anything, except to say that not all Canadian teams choke in the playoffs, like I thought Wanderer had implied...

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well let's hope Edmonton doesnt move to Mexico (though that might please Diego & Julie, I doubt it would please many hockey purists)

Montreal has only won 23 Stanley Cups, and no Canadian-based teams have won the Cup this century

exactly when was the last time a team from Canada won the Cup???

as for Canada Cup, remember in 95 when the US spanked Canada with all the NHLers playing?
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Hmmm, can you say high stick goal scored by Brett Hull? Oh, and isn't Hull actually Canadian, but has duel citizenship, so he decided to play for the USA? Yeah...

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Actually, Montreal has won 24 cups, and the last one was in '93. As for Canada having difficulty competing in today's market, that's what million dollar salaries do: they hurt Canadian teams. It's difficult for Canadian teams to be nearly as competitive in today's NHL market. And Gretzky did have a lot to do with it when he was SOLD to the KIngs.

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actually Edmonton got Calder Winner Jimmy Carson (50 goals as a rookie) for Gretzky, and Montreal officially has 23 Stanley Cups according to the NHL (1st one before NHL formation doesnt count)

anyway, maybe if Canadian players werent so greedy, there would be a salary cap in place and Canadian-based teams could be more competitive (though Toronto never had any trouble spending the big $$$ on free agents, and we were talking about Toronto first and foremost)

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Do you think Jimmy Carson was really the focal point of that "trade"? See, I've always thought that it was the $15 million (US) that made that deal...

Regarding the 24 Stanley Cups, that first one was, technically, still a Stanley Cup, wasn't it? It just wasn't won in the NHL. Details, details...

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of course he wasnt, but there was only room for one Carson in LA...

and i mispoke, Robitaile won the Calder that year, yet Hextall won the Vezina and Conn Smythe

best team ever, in my opinion, those Oilers of the mid 80s (Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Tikannen, Coffey, Fuhr, etc)

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Actually, if you want to get really technical, if we're talking '88 -- the year of the Gretzky trade -- it was actually Gretzky who won the Conn Smythe as playoff MVP (they beat Boston in 4 games). Hextall won the Smythe in '87, even though the Oilers beat Philly in 7. If it weren't for Hextall that season, the Oilers would have won in 4 straight.

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Sorry, this is my last post (I really must go to bed)! As for the salary cap idea, it would never work unless it was for the entire NHL, as players would do their best to play in the US. Then you'd really have no competition left. I do agree with you that hockey players (Canadian or otherwise) are extremely greedy. Many (not all) are also spoiled rich kids. I see many of them at work everyday, and theres this attitude that they generally have. I hope Donald Brashear isn't a U2 fan, because if he reads this, I'm toast! (Now there's a phrase I haven't used since high school...)

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