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Old 03-17-2005, 02:45 PM   #76
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Nathan: i'm sorry you feel that way.

while we certainly don't agree on this issue, i do appreciate the care with which you craft your arguments -- you write beautifully. i also wanted to take the time to respond as in-depth as i could (though you could tell that i was steamed up a bit) because i respected the thought and rigor behind the argument. i may disagree, but there's craft and thought and logic. and i respect that -- just as i respect most posts by NBC because, while i feel like i live on a different planet, there's always a strong, sound argument in his posts. i really hope you don't leave, and that you're able to see past words like "bigot" because i'm sure they don't apply to you, just to a statement.

and i'm flattered you enjoy my blog. it's more therapy than anything for me, and i try to keep it kind of vague, and i'm not really as depressed as i might come across! just the place where i try to work things out.
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i think it would do us all well to re-read Nathan's previous post, and then compare it to this article i found that could probably, and rightly, be attacked as bigoted. there's a world of difference between Nathan, and this fucking guy ...



The Basic Idea of Marriage Is to Raise Kids

Wednesday, March 16, 2005

By John Gibson

A word about gay marriage: As you might have heard, a judge in San Francisco has ruled that it is unconstitutional for the state of California to ban gay marriage (search). That means all those same sex couples who were married by San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom can go back to thinking they are married.

Now, just to be clear on this, those same sex couples are something, but I am quite sure it is not married.

Why? Because marriage is something men and women do. They don't always do it well — you only have to look at the divorce rate, or the number of pregnant women killed by their spouse to realize that. But, nonetheless, for all its imperfections, for all the gory fun of divorce court, it is something that men and women do.

Why is it just men and women? Because since history has been recorded, chipped in stone, inked onto papyrus, scribed into great books or printed on your ink jet, the basic idea behind marriage has been to set up a system for the raising of kids.

The first knuckle-dragging people recognized they didn't want to raise their kids like the monkeys, so they set up another system.

Gays can't have kids — other than going to the abandoned kids store and getting one or two, or borrowing sperm from someone with more sperm than brains — so by definition they're out of the marriage game.

In theory, so would couples who get married in their eighties. Chances are good that no kids come out of that holy union. But it is at least theoretically possible. Not so with gays.

Now, gay couples should have certain rights of marriage — inheritance, insurance, visitation — all that lawyerly stuff.

But they should take the advice of a friend of mine who said he'd defend gays against any form of discrimination, but they had to pick a new word — marriage is taken.

Now what about this ruling that gay marriage is legal from the judge in San Francisco?

Well what about it? He's a judge in San Francisco — of course he says gay marriage is constitutional. You think he could live there if he said otherwise?

As they say in Jersey: "Fuhgedaboutit!"

That's My Word.

Watch John Gibson weekdays at 5 p.m. ET on "The Big Story" and send your comments to: myword@foxnews.com
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Old 03-17-2005, 02:51 PM   #78
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and my straight girlfriend, Wonkette, had a priceless response to Mr. Gibson, so i'll post that and not say anything else, because i couldn't say it any better:



Wait, there's an "abandoned kids store"? We love how that makes adoption sound like you're buying things that fell off the back of a truck. Only losers get abandoned kids. They're gross. What you want are the fresh, free-range kids they sell at Whole Foods.

As for "more sperm than brains," well, that's technically true of all men.

Really. Guys with the opposite problem have to go to the abandoned kids store.
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:37 PM   #79
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Nathan, I may have come off a little mean spirited but please go back and read your posts. You say things like "is pointless" and "something that can't be denied" your language drips of arrogance. You accuse others of making judgement calls upon others but that's exactly what each and everyone of your posts did.
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wow, Im getting married soon and childbirth is definitely NOT the reason Im getting married.
But thats not the point of this thread. sorry. lol
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Old 03-17-2005, 10:25 PM   #81
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Why is it just men and women? Because since history has been recorded, chipped in stone, inked onto papyrus, scribed into great books or printed on your ink jet, the basic idea behind marriage has been to set up a system for the raising of kids.
Well, as pointed out here, there's straight people who have no desire to have children/can't have children, so I'm curious as to what he says about them?

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Gays can't have kids — other than going to the abandoned kids store and getting one or two, or borrowing sperm from someone with more sperm than brains — so by definition they're out of the marriage game.
Straight couples have done all of those things, too. His point being?

And again I ask the question that begs to be asked: Why do so many people feel it's their place to care so much who does and doesn't/can and can't have children? That's something each individual couple should decide on their own, not society as a whole. I personally wouldn't mind having children someday, but if another couple wishes not to, know what? I don't really care. That's their decision to make, not mine. If someone could possibly give a valid reason for why people care so much about this, I'd love to hear it, 'cause I fail to see exactly why society insists on getting into that aspect of people's lives.

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Now, gay couples should have certain rights of marriage — inheritance, insurance, visitation — all that lawyerly stuff.

But they should take the advice of a friend of mine who said he'd defend gays against any form of discrimination, but they had to pick a new word — marriage is taken.
...I don't recall ever hearing that anyone owned certain words nowadays...

Besides that, he's missing the point-so long as gay couples have their relationships called something entirely different, even if people insist they should still get the same benefits, in most places, they won't. Most people will see them as two different things, and will treat them as such.

Angela
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Old 03-18-2005, 08:03 AM   #82
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wow, Im getting married soon and childbirth is definitely NOT the reason Im getting married.
Then according to some anti-gay marriage folks, you shouldn't be allowed to get married.

Since the whole point of marriage is bearing and raising children.
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Mayor Newsom was on Chris Matthews Friday. It was interesting in spite of the fact that Chris is so obnoxious, annoying, and constantly interrupts

You have to scroll down a bit

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7255679/
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Besides that, he's missing the point-so long as gay couples have their relationships called something entirely different, even if people insist they should still get the same benefits, in most places, they won't. Most people will see them as two different things, and will treat them as such.

Angela
A probably true, unfortunate but good[as in nessescary] to point out- point, moonlit.
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Romney Tells Off-Color Jokes at Roast


Mar 20, 4:38 PM (ET)

BOSTON (AP) - Gov. Mitt Romney traded off-color barbs with fellow politicians at a roast Sunday, even throwing his Mormon heritage into a one-liner about gay marriage, which he opposes.

"I have to admit that as a Mormon, I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman ... and a woman and a woman," he said.

The legalization of gay marriage here was among the fodder for the popular St. Patrick's Day breakfast in South Boston. Romney's out-of-state travels and rumored 2008 presidential aspirations also provided gags.
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"I have to admit that as a Mormon, I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman ... and a woman and a woman," he said.




i can't fucking stand this shit.

while i'm sure it was a joke, for a straight man to speak about the evils of homosexuality and the threat to marriage and the very basis of civilization, and THEN to turn around, even in jest, and make jokes about how really fucking hot two chicks getting it on is ... well, i just suppose it goes to show that opposition to gay marriage really is rooted in blatant homophobia and fear and insecurity.

part of me is angry, part of me would love to see a really buff gay man break poor Mitt's nose, and part of me would love to say to Mitt, "gosh, you're so straight! look at you! straight, straight, straight! gosh, i bet you just LOOOOOOOVE pussy, don't you! you're so straight! you're such a man! oh, tell us again Mitt, tell us how much you love women! tell us that you measure your own sexuality and prowess by the depth of your disgust at the thought of two homos fudge-packing -- no, no, Mitt ... push those disturbingly steamy thoughts you keep having of Stone Cold Steve Austin bending you over a stool in a Berlin leather bar waaaaay back down deep into your psyche -- and compare that to the elation and exhileration you feel when you see two hot chicks getting it on.

because, really, all lesbians are hot. and they have perfect bodies. and they want you to join in.

really.

believe Mitt; believe the fantasies your porn is selling you.

and stop fantasizing about mud wrestling with The Rock.

fucking hypocrite.


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I read that as a polygamy joke but I could be wrong

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A probably true, unfortunate but good[as in nessescary] to point out- point, moonlit.
Thanks .

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No way would I ever defend a joke like that if it is anti-gay in any way, but the St Patrick's Day breakfast is notorious for that kind of crap- a bunch of politicians thinking they're funny. They have people write the speeches and jokes for them and they're all trying to outdo each other

I think it might be a polygamy joke too, I don't know

As I've said before, I don't like Romney
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California should ban celebrity marriage.
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