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Old 11-18-2004, 04:52 PM   #91
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i like your thought. What if when jesus said i am the way, he was saying I am Tao?
What your sayng anirban is also interesting in light of string-theory. All things are composed of tiny vibrating strings. The vibration pattern of said strings give off the appearance of any given object.
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it's less a physical, binding object than a spiritual one. God is still unseen, unsensed, and still just as awesome a force -- but not an old man in the sky.
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I think for people who need a father figure, that's what God is to them. For people who need a nurturing spirit, that's what God is to them. To me God is shapeless this way and able to take any shape. It's like what Bono says about being weary of putting God in a box.
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I heard Elizabeth Johnson, a pretty famous Catholic feminist theologian, speak last year at my college. She said something that has stuck in my head ever since, and I'll paraphrase it here: If you have always seen God as an old, white man, why not try thinking of God as young, black, and female?
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There are many christians who have the mercy to forgive non-believers. But God, in all his infinite mercy, cannot find it in his heart to do so?

Then again, I doubt my opinion matters to him, as I have been destined to go to hell since I stopped believing about 7 years ago.
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There are many christians who have the mercy to forgive non-believers. But God, in all his infinite mercy, cannot find it in his heart to do so?
No, just man's version of God.
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No, just man's version of God.
Only if we consider Scripture just man's words and not God's Word.
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There are many christians who have the mercy to forgive non-believers. But God, in all his infinite mercy, cannot find it in his heart to do so?

Then again, I doubt my opinion matters to him, as I have been destined to go to hell since I stopped believing about 7 years ago.
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There are many christians who have the mercy to forgive non-believers. But God, in all his infinite mercy, cannot find it in his heart to do so?
God does forgive EVERYONE! that's the whole point of Christ dying on the cross...he took on the sins of the whole world and was the atoning sacrifice for our sins. so everyone has an oppurtunity for forgiveness, and in turn eternal life. however, if one is to reject this gift, they THEMSELVES forfeited their own forgiveness, and are therefore subject to the punnishment. and "the wages of sin is death" Christ said, and i'm paraphrasing here (someone can look up these passages, i'm too lazy right now) whoever denies me on earth, so also will i deny him before my Father. it appears that the blame for these actions lies soley on the person!

and, i am not a calvinist! i don't believe in double predestination. i am a lutheran! i know not many people know of lutheran teachings other than that he "hated catholics and split the church" (i've been told this by people at school) or whatever, but lutheran teaching is very clear on these issues. here is what the augsberg confessions has to say:

"...through the fall of our first parents man is so corrupted that in divine things, concerning our conversion and salvation, he is by nature blind and does not and cannot understand the Word of God, but considers it foolishness; nor does he himself approach God, but he is and remains an enemy of God until by the power of the Holy Spirit, through the Word which is preached and heard, purely out of grace and without any cooperation on his part, he is converted, becomes a believer, is regenerated and renewed."
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I heard Elizabeth Johnson, a pretty famous Catholic feminist theologian, speak last year at my college. She said something that has stuck in my head ever since, and I'll paraphrase it here: If you have always seen God as an old, white man, why not try thinking of God as young, black, and female?
of course the image of an old white guy in the sky is ludicrous. first of all, God does not exist just in heaven, God is omnipresent. secondly, God does not, as far as we know, have a human form, and to view Him as such puts human limitations on Him (though Christ did assume true human form during His time on earth).

however, viewing him as young, black female is equally ludicrous. first of all for the same reason why he should not be viewed as an old white guy. and second of all, because issues like this really tend to trivialize sacred matters. instead of worrying about issues like salvation, justification, and sanctification, you know, the ones that have to do with what happens to your soul, and whether or not you're going to heaven or hell, people are focused on God's skin color. it is a diversionary tactic, to keep people away from real issues of faith.
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I don't think that's what she meant--I think she was trying to simply get people to realize that God is *God*, and that anything else we ascribe to God is superfluous.
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