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Old 10-19-2005, 02:26 PM   #61
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so i guess the fact that the nhl... they of a 95% white populous... and no one talks about their rules as being racist is completely insignificant to my arguments made earlier...
How would they be significant? Unless there was something that was banned that many of the white players often wore yet didn't fit the standard of the owner due to image issues.
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and funny me, but i thought the point of this thread was "are dress codes racist?"
No it was can dress codes be racist and is this one racist...

But now I realize why your last few posts haven't made any sense.
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and funny me, but i thought the point of this thread was "are dress codes racist?"
well that's what I titled it, can they be, that doesn't mean there arent and can't be other issues

Yes Michael Jordan is what the NBA wants, but put him in some chains and "hip hop" clothes and he's still the same player and man. He had his issues w/ gambling and womanizing rumors, in spite of the clean cut image that his clothing and style portrayed. I think that's relevant and that's what the NBA should be concerned about.
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How would they be significant? Unless there was something that was banned that many of the white players often wore yet didn't fit the standard of the owner due to image issues.
holy jeez... it's significant because it backs up the idea that this is a common practice by most sport organizations at all levels, at least here in north america... which has been my entire damned argument to begin with.
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holy jeez... it's significant because it backs up the idea that this is a common practice by most sport organizations at all levels, at least here in north america... which has been my entire damned argument to begin with.
But your argument is walking all around this specific dress code, and avoiding these specific issues.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that dress codes shouldn't exist, but that's what you seem to keep harping on.
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But your argument is walking all around this specific dress code, and avoiding these specific issues.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that dress codes shouldn't exist, but that's what you seem to keep harping on.
this specific dress code is in line with other dress codes in other sports.

why is it that now it's racist when it isn't racist in hockey, football or baseball?
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It is part of the latent ideas expressed here.
I know you're saying it mostly in jest, but when I said that everyone is guilty of it, I meant it. No one is immune to latent prejudice. The problem then arises in terms of the power to do something about it. Prejudice expoused by white people can have a real tangible effect on minorities. After all, the prejudice expoused by heterosexuals affects the lives of homosexuals every day. But even if homosexuals suddenly started hating heterosexuals, they're not in a position to do anything about it. Likewise, any prejudice expoused by blacks onto white people is generally meaningless, because they are not in a position to legislate those prejudices into law.

That's why the emphasis is often placed on white prejudice; or, more generically, an emphasis on the the prejudices of the dominant hegemony, which, in the case of the United States, is the straight white Christian male.

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this specific dress code is in line with other dress codes in other sports.

why is it that now it's racist when it isn't racist in hockey, football or baseball?
So you know they all ban necklaces outside the suit? Interesting, I should tell a few football players that.
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I'm with Headache on this one, the administrators are entitled to enforce a dress code, as with an employer.
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So you know they all ban necklaces outside the suit? Interesting, I should tell a few football players that.
maybe you should... and while you're at it, ask them about the fines they've gotten for violating league policies re: dress code.

in the 1990s chuck daily put in a dress code for the new jersey nets re: suits on airplanes. derrick coleman didn't want to conform to the dress code. he gave daily a blank check and proceeded to wear whatever he wanted.


you seem to be stuck on this necklace issue... i'm more into discussing the dress code as a whole.

do i know if a necklace specificly is part of every leagues dress code? no... i do not.

i also do not know how anyone would see including a necklace in this dress code as being racialy biased.
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I'm with Headache on this one, the administrators are entitled to enforce a dress code, as with an employer.
Of course they have the right and power to do so. Even if I have an objection to a dress code, I do follow it here in the real world.

But my point, at least, is to philosophically question the fairness of existing dress codes. But rules are rules, and you're forced to do what your boss tells you, even if he may be an inflexible old git.

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