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Old 03-10-2005, 04:31 PM   #16
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I know next to nothing about Social Security.

I do know that the stock markets are subject to sharp losses in short amounts of time, but also that they've gained an average of 12% or so per year over the last 40 years, and that the top stocks have gained an average of 17% per year over the last 20 years.

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Old 03-10-2005, 05:28 PM   #17
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I don't mind the campaign style attempts at "educating" the voters or swinging people to support their SS reform. It is within their right. Bush and company are presenting their "side" of the issue by the what they deem to be the best possible "means." The responsibility part. IMO falls under the "opposition" party to rebut or the media to inform. All we can do is take in the info and process it and make judgements that result in actions for or against. With that said, there still isn't enough info and neither party seems to be putting out counter "options" to Bush's nebulous plan.

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Old 03-10-2005, 05:31 PM   #18
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My problem is that the commercial I've seen is another one of those "the Democrats would like you to believe..." shit. No one is being "educated". It's just more slinging.
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I wonder of you have to sign a loyalty oath for this too

A Wonkette operative reports from Bush's barnstorming tour:

What's with these incredibly polite hecklers? There were four today [in Memphis]; four at yesterday's first event in Louisille. It's almost as if they've been planted by the Bush people. At his first event today, a well-dressed woman shouted, "With all due respect..." but the rest of her gripe was drowned out by Bush. Later, a chubby heckler said, as Bush was talking about controlling your own personal account, "There's no guarantee of ownership." The woman was hustled out, but the guy just sat there, partly because his heckle could only be heard by the nearby press corps.

And yesterday, one heckler said: "Mr. President, your plan wants to do away with Social Security," before immediately escorting himself out. Maybe at his next speech in Shreveport, someone will stand up and shout: "Mr. President, I take strong exception to the verifiability of your wage indexing estimates!

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