verte76
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I think the comparison to Hitler is extreme, too, but it does show how much this guy is pissing the locals off. If they had a demonstration against this guy I'd definitely go.
Not everyone agrees that they are morally responsible for anything they do either.anitram said:
Not everyone agrees that homosexuality is related to character at all, and many believe it is something inborn, completely separate from "character."
Without putting words into your mouth, I have a sincere question....Macfistowannabe said:Not everyone agrees that they are morally responsible for anything they do either.
Macfistowannabe said:
If you take Martin Luther King into account, he said that he dreamed of living in a nation where his children wouldn't be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Homosexuality is not a skin color, but a content of character.
I can't guarantee you on that one.Irvine511 said:gay people falling in love, having sex, and getting married harms aboslutely no one. it's what Jesus would have wanted.
Macfistowannabe said:I can't guarantee you on that one.
Not everything said by Jesus was recorded, but you're right about loving the neighbor as yourself. I don't know everything about Jesus and how he feels about it, I just know he loves all people. I do wonder why God would choose Paul as one of his prophets if homosexuality was not a sin (Paul spoke out against it, could've been a very human doctorine, rather than Godly, I don't know for sure).Irvine511 said:Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality. he had plenty to say about loving your neighbor as yourself.
The point I was making to anitram was that a fair share of the people who insist that homosexuality is not a content of character also believe that nobody has control over their own moral behavior.Dreadsox said:
Without putting words into your mouth, I have a sincere question....
Are you saying that gay/lesbians are morally irresponsible?
Macfistowannabe said:The point I was making to anitram was that a fair share of the people who insist that homosexuality is not a content of character also believe that nobody has control over their own moral behavior.
pwmartin said:Actually, while it may be argued that Jesus never explicity mentions homosexuality (which, as a word didn't exist until the 19th century), he does, I believe say something germaine to the topic...a sentence which is rarely quoted by either "side" in this ongoing debate.
Mark 10:2-9.
It is actually a discussion about divorce (Jesus is asked in a trick question by the Pharisees) as to whether it is lawful? As a part of his response, Jesus quotes Genesis: "But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.'"
verte76 said:So the word "homosexuality" dates from the nineteenth century. I knew it wasn't a very old word. My basic feeling on the matter is that if two people love each other that much, then so what about their gender. Two of my best friends are a gay couple so I think I know what I'm talking about. For that reason this stuff is a little personal for me, I can be a bit touchy about the matter.
I'm going to ignore anything personally addressed at me in your post, to plainly say, no it isn't pointless to continue a discussion. It has been said that you don't know your own views until you hear the views of the opposing side. Do I believe everything I'm told, no I do not. For example, I don't know for sure whether or not people are "born gay." I don't know if anyone can prove it either way. Threatened? No. Let me say this much. If I saw two men holding hands, I wouldn't cut in on them. I would mind my own business. Doesn't that sound intolerant of me?martha said:It may be pointless for us to continue this discussion with a kid who has had made up his mind without the benefit of very much experience in life. He's believing what he's been told to believe, and he'll do that until he learns otherwise. Young straight men tend to feel very threatened by gay men, so I think I'm going to let Macfistowannbe grow up a little and find out a little about how the world functions.
And I can base my assessment of an internet stranger on "reading between the lines" of his posts.
Well... the only people I hear saying that nobody is morally responsible for anything just so happen to be liberals.Dreadsox said:
I would like stats on this thaat demonstrate what you are sying is accurate. That sounds like a blanket statement.
Macfistowannabe said:Well... the only people I hear saying that nobody is morally responsible for anything just so happen to be liberals.
Macfistowannabe said:Well... the only people I hear saying that nobody is morally responsible for anything just so happen to be liberals.
Macfistowannabe said:Okay, perhaps you haven't heard enough from me. No, I can't say that people are born gay, and I can't say that they're not. I'm not a hardcore conservative, I just find the conservative stance on issues appealing and representing of my leanings more often than not. I take a look at what both sides say, and I can't see how either one can be so absolute about something. If you were hoping for a stab in the face, I'm sorry, but you're not going to get one from me.
The point I was making to anitram was that a fair share of the people who insist that homosexuality is not a content of character also believe that nobody has control over their own moral behavior.
Macfistowannabe said:So nobody here is allowed to make any observations?
It really depends on your definition of pseudo morals. A lot of the time, we disagree with what is moral and what isn't. Conservatives might consider abortion and gay marriage moral issues, whereas liberals take a look at tax cuts, the environment, and such to justify their arguments. Is Bush the most moral man on earth? I doubt it, he's far from a perfect human being, but those who share his set of ideals chose him rather than Kerry. Yes, there's plenty of immoral monsters on both sides of the fence. I wouldn't consider Kerry one of them.BonoVoxSupastar said:
Not gross blanket generalizations. Would you find something such as "Most conservative Christians really voted based on pseudo-morals in the last election", to be appropriate? I mean one could call it an "observation" if it makes you feel better. Make observations all you want but even your "observation" wasn't even close.
Nope. Not me at least.Dreadsox said:So has anyone here read a book that caused them to do something they did not wish to do in the first place?