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Old 09-07-2005, 11:24 AM   #16
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i criticize Rudy with respect.

heck, i'd probably consider voting for Rudy, despite how he'll have to say things he doesn't believe in order to capture the center and the right of the Republican Party.

i do fault him, to a degree, but such is the price of being a Republican in 2005. i wonder if pictures of Rudy attending the NYC Gay Pride Parades will be used by the Rove machine to demolish him in the South Carolina primaries?
i'd give anything to see rudy and mccain run together as independents and blow both parties out of the water.
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:28 AM   #17
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That really is a dream ticket, I think, for many Democrats and Republicans alike. I'd love to see that election.
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well Arnold certainly knows all about healthy relationships w/ women..

"I used to feel that women were here for one reason. Sex was simply another kind of exercise, another body function. I was convinced a girl and I couldn't communicate on equal footing because she wouldn't understand what I was doing. I didn't have time to take one girl out regularly and go through a normal high-school romance with all its phone calls and notes and squabbles. That took too much time. I needed to be in the gym. For me it was a simple matter of picking them up at the lake, and then never seeing them again."

wow

to be fair he wrote that concerning when he was a teenager, maybe his attitude has changed slightly since then

I just saw some interesting photos where I read that too
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that could have been written by 90% of heterosexual american male teenagers... i'd imagine austrian ones, too
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:03 PM   #20
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that could have been written by 90% of heterosexual american male teenagers... i'd imagine austrian ones, too
that says good things about men

sadly it could be written by many not-so-teenagers too

Anyway I don't want to veer off from the topic pax started, let's just hope Arnold shows the respect for gay relationships that I think they deserve. Funny how so many of these politicians have certain attitudes about women and inappropriate/dysfunctional relationships w/ women (and in Arnold's case it's not just as a teen, let's not forget his other shenanigans), yet they show such disdain for gay people who just want to marry people they are in love with and have been with for many years in many cases.
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you know what i find so remarkable about this, and it's not just the Katrina news vortex: no one really cares all that much.

2 years ago it would have been front page news; today, it's almost a non-issue.

so it gets vetoed? give it another 2 years.
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Old 09-07-2005, 03:26 PM   #22
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"The legislation could be vetoed by Gov.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has expressed an acceptance of gay marriages but said it's an issue that should be decided by voters or the courts.

"He will uphold whatever the court decides," spokeswoman Margita Thompson said Tuesday after the state Assembly approved the same-sex marriage measure, 41-35
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"The legislation could be vetoed by Gov.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has expressed an acceptance of gay marriages but said it's an issue that should be decided by voters or the courts.

"He will uphold whatever the court decides," spokeswoman Margita Thompson said Tuesday after the state Assembly approved the same-sex marriage measure, 41-35
The legislation WILL be vetoed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger
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i'm going to keep my fingers crossed that it goes through.
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Well I may be against gay marriage, but if a state enacts a law allowing it, I won't fight against it. If it's a majority wish to have something in a state, then that something should happen.

Give the people what they want.
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Schwarzenegger Vows Gay Marriage Bill Veto

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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced Wednesday he will veto a bill that would have made California the first state to legalize same-sex marriage through its elected lawmakers.

Schwarzenegger said the legislation, given final approval Tuesday by lawmakers, would conflict with the intent of voters when they approved an initiative five years ago. Proposition 22 was placed on the ballot to prevent California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries.

"We cannot have a system where the people vote and the Legislature derails that vote," the governor's press secretary, Margita Thompson, said in a statement. "Out of respect for the will of the people, the governor will veto (the bill)."

Proposition 22 stated that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." The bill to be vetoed by Schwarzenegger would have defined marriage as a civil contract between "two persons."
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Arnie's been having trouble locating his balls lately. He's been quite a toady to certain groups since he was elected.

This whole thing so reminds me of the South in the 50s and 60s.
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Give the people what they want.
Well if they want bigotry it looks like bigotry is what they'll get.
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I'm not surprised. "Moderate Republicans" are nothing but cowards, and they will bend over for conservatives every time. No exceptions. That's why I hope McCain/Giuliani go down in flames.

And at least we now know where "the Governator" stands. He now stands as our enemy as well. He who is not with me is against me.

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You know, with everything Katrina-related going on, it really amazes me that people still haven't learned this yet-life is far too short to get all up in arms over things such as the idea of two men or two women getting married. Shouldn't these disasters be a way to get people to realize that the only way our civilization can survive at all is if we're, you know, kind to each other and respectful and all that good stuff?Arrrrrgggggghhhhh...

And I'm not exempting myself from that, either. I've been just as guilty of that sort of thing.

sharky, excellent post from you . I'm not in a relationship myself at this time, but I still wholeheartedly agree with your general sentiment . I'm glad to hear that you guys are happy together-here's to a long and happy life together for you guys .

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i'd give anything to see rudy and mccain run together as independents and blow both parties out of the water.
...I can't say I'd have much of a problem with this combination, either .

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