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Old 08-19-2008, 05:42 PM   #16
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Well lucky for us, doctors are licensed by the state and subject to the state laws rather than their own whims.
Including the baby killing law?
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That's not really the way I view it. Doctors should be guided by their moral conscience.
Well I'm glad you aren't a doctor.

Where would you draw the line? Deny them birth control, force mothers to die of complication due to birth, don't allow insemination to Muslims, stop treatment of AIDS victims...
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:57 PM   #18
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You are having a laugh. You make it sound like it was treatment for an ulcer or something.

I'm not having a laugh. I'm asking you a question which you appear to not want to answer.
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This woman has clearly been drinking the left-liberal Kool Aid in large quantities. There is no such thing as a RIGHT to become a mother or have a family. Now, this being California, the activist law courts have backed her up all the way and decreed that, yes, there is such a thing. A case like this wouldn't work in most jurisdictions (hopefully).
Financeguy, what exactly is your background with California state discrimination law that qualifies you to deride their decision as an "activist law court"? Are you a lawyer there?
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You are having a laugh. You make it sound like it was treatment for an ulcer or something.
Seriously, have you read this article at all? Do you realize that it has NOTHING to do with classifying IVF as a medical treatment?

It's like you're just ignoring completely the basis of this case and the legal finding.
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That's not really the way I view it. Doctors should be guided by their moral conscience.
And if it was against a Doctor's moral conscience to treat a patient that was:
black,
Muslim,
obese,
a smoker,
a meat eater,
a Marxist,
A Scientologist,
an atheist?


A Doctor's claim of moral conscience can be many things.
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First duty is to the patient, not the doctor's moral conscience. And moral conscience is not a license to discriminate.
I am happy to discriminate against people and groups on the basis of "moral conscience".
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Even if their moral conscience lets them deny treatment to people based on sexual orientation?
Do you want doctors to have the right not to perform plastic surgery on young girls because they're uncomfortable performing the surgery for reasons of conscience?

This isn't a black and white case. No doctor should be allowed to decide to harm (or allow harm to come to) a patient because of an issue of conscience, but if its not a life/death issue there is more room for discussion.
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Do you want doctors to have the right not to perform plastic surgery on young girls because they're uncomfortable performing the surgery for reasons of conscience?
I don't know.

My initial reaction is that it isn't their decision, it's the decision of the girl and her parents.

But this decision wasn't about minors. It was about adults.
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I don't know.

My initial reaction is that it isn't their decision, it's the decision of the girl and her parents.

But this decision wasn't about minors. It was about adults.
I agree, martha. I'm just pointing out that there exists some understandable gray area in this debate.
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I'm just pointing out that there exists some understandable gray area in this debate.

I disagree. If we're talking about adults and medical procedures, then all deserve equal access.

Access can't be denied due to the provider's discomfort with some aspect of the patient.
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This isn't a black and white case. No doctor should be allowed to decide to harm (or allow harm to come to) a patient because of an issue of conscience, but if its not a life/death issue there is more room for discussion.

If a Doctor said "I refuse to treat Jewish people, for non-emergency matters, out of a matter conscience".

That would seem reasonable to you ?
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Why the fuck would they be in the fertility business if they do not want to make women pregnant?


I love pregnant women. That leads to more breastfeeding threads....which I like too.
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Why the fuck would they be in the fertility business if they do not want to make women pregnant?
They are not Doctors, first


but instruments of God's Holy work on earth, first.



Evil doers, should just bleed out.



(besides, if God wanted Lesbians to have babies he would have given some of them penises.)
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Thank you for clarifying...

Hey now that I turned 40 two weeks or so ago, I really feel close to you.
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