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Old 03-25-2006, 10:59 AM   #46
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having cops in the bar to help prevent this is just another measure the bars can take to protect themselves. being at public bar is not like being at your private home, if you get wasted at a bar you have to leave at some point and when you do its public intoxication and you are putting people in danger.
So, if an intoxicated person gets in a cab outside a bar and is dropped off at their front door who is put in danger?

Do you really think bars are worried about keeping their patrons sober in their establishment? That seems absurd.

I was Tips certified too at one point. I seem to remember being told that if partons are ticketed in a bar that the bar will be ticketed as well.

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if they catch you with a .03 BAC 1 hour before your 21st birthday, they wont even hesitate to give you an underage.
Well, yes. That makes sense. You're not 21 yet.
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Well, yes. That makes sense. You're not 21 yet.

jesus christ, dont you think that's kinda chickenshit though? remember, i said they wont hesitate, discretion is not in their vocabulary.

have you ever got an underage? they are a total pain in the ass. the punishment totally outweighs the crime.

here in PA the punishment for 1st offense is:

- $300 fine
- Madatory 90 day drivers license suspension (even if it has nothing to do with a car)
- Possible 90 DAYS IN JAIL!!!!!!!!!!

if you think that punishment is fitting for having a few beers under 21, well you're an asshole.

well, in 23 days i can tell them to take their underage drinking laws and shove em' up their fucking asses!
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Old 03-25-2006, 11:38 AM   #48
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jesus christ, dont you think that's kinda chickenshit though?

if you think that punishment is fitting for having a few beers under 21, well you're an asshole.
Uncalled for, and adds nothing to your point...no personal attacks please.
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Uncalled for, and adds nothing to your point...no personal attacks please.
i didnt mean it to be personal, i meant in general if someone thinks that.

sorry, kind of a touchy subject with me, because of recent events
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Ah yes, this story reminds me of bar laws in college.

In Champaign, one must be 19 years old to enter a bar. (drinking age still 21) The police would raid bars and give tickets to anyone under 21 who was within an arm's length of a drink. Doesn't matter if you are drinking it or not. The arm's length was enough to get you a $275 dollar ticket. Really, a college bar? In Champaign? Everyone is within an arm's length of a drink. What a scam.

I never got caught but my sister racked up 2 tickets before turning 21.
Is bar entrance age still 19 in Champaign, in 2006?
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Is bar entrance age still 19 in Champaign, in 2006?
It was in 2005.
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jesus christ, dont you think that's kinda chickenshit though? remember, i said they wont hesitate, discretion is not in their vocabulary.

have you ever got an underage? they are a total pain in the ass. the punishment totally outweighs the crime.

here in PA the punishment for 1st offense is:

- $300 fine
- Madatory 90 day drivers license suspension (even if it has nothing to do with a car)
- Possible 90 DAYS IN JAIL!!!!!!!!!!

if you think that punishment is fitting for having a few beers under 21, well you're an asshole.
The law's the law My little brother got busted, similar situation to yours, and I don't think he's ever made such a big stink about it. He made the choice, he paid for the consequences.

The thing with underage drinking and getting caught is it RARELY happens that people get busted ONLY because they're drinking underage. They're usually doing things that are more stupid, like being rude and obnoxious, or making a scene in public, things that piss other people off and get the cops' attention. I've seen people literally having keggars on a crowded public beach and then they get busted and think the cops are the ones being assholes. Honestly, it's not the underage drinking that bothers me, it's the other annoying, immature shit that usually goes hand-in-hand.

If anyone needs to practice better discretion when it comes to underage drinking, my guess is it's not the cops...
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It's not the intoxication that's the problem, it's what one does with it. Same goes for sobriety.

Following the logic of this thread and America in the last 30 years, what we really need is a war on sobriety.

Think of all the crimes comitted by sober people: tasering innocent civilians, bombing innocent civilians, caning and paddling innocent children, working for criminal syndicates like large corporations and governments.

Busting people for being drunk in the last vestige for communal drunkenness will only encourage thme to just throw back the beers and the shots in the car itself. Why bother even going to the bar?

People in Texas can always move to New Orleans, where an entirely different standard still exists.

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People in Texas can always move to New Orleans, where an entirely different standard still exists.

Umm I'm willing to bet they have the same public intoxication laws in New Orleans as in Texas

I found this on a new orleans police website:

http://www.nopdonline.com/tips.htm

"While we want you to have a good time in New Orleans, you must remember that we have residents whose peace must not be disturbed. You can drink in public but you cannot become intoxicated, damage property, injure anyone, or sleep on the property of others."

Nobody is saying people can't go to a bar and drink, its called drinking in moderation. But if people just go out to a public place to get shit faced thats public intoxication whether your in the bar or on the street.
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Umm I'm willing to bet they have the same public intoxication laws in New Orleans as in Texas
I'll take New Orleans.
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I'll take New Orleans, too.
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The thing with underage drinking and getting caught is it RARELY happens that people get busted ONLY because they're drinking underage. They're usually doing things that are more stupid, like being rude and obnoxious, or making a scene in public, things that piss other people off and get the cops' attention. I've seen people literally having keggars on a crowded public beach and then they get busted and think the cops are the ones being assholes. Honestly, it's not the underage drinking that bothers me, it's the other annoying, immature shit that usually goes hand-in-hand.

yeah, like walking out of a house and the police waiting outside to bust someone. thats was real obnoxious behavior of me.

BTW, i bet your brother wasnt 2 months from being 21 when he got busted.
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yeah, like walking out of a house and the police waiting outside to bust someone. thats was real obnoxious behavior of me.

BTW, i bet your brother wasnt 2 months from being 21 when he got busted.
Why does it matter when someone is busted for underage drinking? If you drink underage you have to be prepared for the consequences no matter how close to 21 you are. It's common sense.
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if you were a cop, would you bust someone for underage drinking if they were a week from being 21?
what if they are out partying 2 hours before their midnight birthday and you catch them?
saying they werent doing anything stupid of course.

i know what the law is for chrissake, im saying the police could use more discretion instead of being pricks and busting as many people as they can. If you went to IUP, you'd understand.
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i take it you people are all over 21 then.

i guess after im 21, i'll be saying the same shit as you all!
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