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Old 01-18-2004, 02:56 PM   #31
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SO in 1996, when President Clinton used this event as a CAMPAIGN speech, why was it acceptable?

Just curious....

he spoke about BOSNIA

No one protested...chastized....told him to leave.....

It is acceptable....for President Clinton to not only visit the grave, but to speak at the event by invitation of the family of MLK and bring up the need to intervene in BOSNIA.

This does not sound very Non-Violent.

And HE did use it as a CAMPAIN stop. CNN articles from 1996 called his speech that day in front of Mrs. King and her family a speech in which he was "testing" themes for his "re-election".
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Oh....and I agree.....

If he had not gone.....the same people would be criticizing him for not recognizing MLK.
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Dreadsox: right, there are some people who will criticize Bush for whatever he does, like there are some people who praise everything he does.
It's sometimes sad to see that only few people care more about the "WHAT" than the "WHO"
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Oh....and I agree.....

If he had not gone.....the same people would be criticizing him for not recognizing MLK.
Yes. It's very much a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't kind of situation. Somedays even a President can't make a nickel.
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SO in 1996, when President Clinton used this event as a CAMPAIGN speech, why was it acceptable?

Clinton had a good record on Civil Rights.

If he flew on AF One to a “Promise Keepers” rally and collected a few million at a fund raiser, there might be a better comparison.
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#1 What do the "Promise Keepers" have to do with this if anything?
#2 To be fair, did you oppose past Presidents travelling around the country on Air Force One? He would have had to take the essential staff with him anyways to go to the MLK Gravesite. The extra money paid for AF#1 is for his campaign staff. This is nothing new.
#3 Was his speech commemorating Dr. King's birthday before his Innaguaration in 2001 a PR stunt?
#4 Why one year ago did the King Family go to the White House and present President Bush with a Portrait of Dr. King to hang inside the White House? To give the ANTI CIVIL RIGHTS President more PR? Amazing that she had such KIND words to say about President Bush at the presentation and his efforts to improve education.
#5 Would you characterize Mrs. Bush's visit to MLK's gravesite last year as a PR stunt?

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Mrs. King took the HIGH ROAD. She showed respect, as her husband would have shown. It is pretty clear that it is not the President who is making it political........

Of course....this just made me wonder where the protest zone was...they must not have made it 5 miles away.
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What is absolutely appalling about this is the protestors doing this at his grave site. How utterly disrespectful!! Good God. Is nowhere sacred??
Those 700 individuals ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. That is disgusting.
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Dread,

i will try do make time to respond to your reply, point by point.

i am in a relationship with a divorced mom with two young kids.

that is why i am posting less.

i appreciate this discussion
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He Came Not to Praise King but ...

By Timothy McDonald
Rev. Timothy McDonald, pastor of the First Iconium Baptist Church in Atlanta, is president of the African American Ministers in Action program of People for the American Way.

January 19, 2004

Martin Luther King Jr.'s 75th birthday should have been an occasion for serious reflection on his life, his teachings, his legacy and his service.

Instead, in Atlanta, we were forced to deal with an insult: an uninvited, insincere visit by President Bush to lay a wreath at King's tomb.

The King Center quickly made it clear that it had not extended the invitation, and Bush's visit caused great consternation among King anniversary planners, who questioned the timing, motive and intent of this self-initiated presidential visit.

Many of us remembered that it was on King's birthday last year that this same president, on national television, launched his attack against affirmative action by directing his administration to join the legal case against the University of Michigan's admissions policy. To follow that action by laying a wreath on King's tomb this year represented the height of hypocrisy for many of us in the civil rights community. It was obviously nothing more than a photo opportunity designed to woo black voters to the Republican Party. Coming in an election year, it was a blatant attempt to use King's image for political gain.

And here's the most offensive part: After a brief "official business" visit to the grave site — read: taxpayers foot the bill — Bush rushed off to a $2,000-a-plate fundraiser that same evening, picking up a cool $1.3 million in Atlanta for his reelection campaign.

There's a reason African American voters overwhelmingly turn out for Democrats. King's philosophies could not be more different from Bush's. King, a man of peace, was one of the first to publicly oppose the Vietnam War. Bush, by contrast, has unilaterally and preemptively declared war upon another country, causing hundreds of American soldiers to lose their lives and costing the American taxpayer hundreds of billions of dollars. You have to ask how that is consistent with the life and teachings of King.

Three million jobs have been lost since 2001, and 9 million Americans are out of work. How would King feel about this? The poverty gap has widened under this president. Tax cuts have benefited the wealthiest Americans at the expense of the poorest, and certainly King — who spent his final years decrying poverty in the United States — would not support such policies.

King dedicated his life to racial harmony; Bush's policies have caused an even greater divide between the races.

It is time for protest, and about 1,000 people did so at King's tomb Thursday. The greatest expression of our commitment to King's dream is to redress our government when we feel it to be wrong. This is what makes our nation strong.

If President Bush was serious about honoring King, his rhetoric would be reflected in his policies. King would be honored by an America that not only talks about "no child left behind" but works for smaller classes, provides adequate funding for education, higher salaries for teachers and a public education system that is not treated like an unwanted stepchild.

King would be thrilled by a health-care system that took care of all of its citizens and a livable wage for all working Americans. King would work for campaign finance reform that does not allow the rich to buy elections, and he would strive to ensure that every vote is counted. King would not risk the lives of soldiers and use war as a pretext to secure oil.

On this 75th birthday anniversary, the veil of deception and arrogance was uncovered, and hope was reborn through protest, dissent and redress of our government.

The dream lives on.
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I disagree with Bush. MLK isn't really worth a holiday nor worth the president wasting time visiting his gravesite. It's sickening how much attention he receives. There are hundreds if not thousands of figures in American history more deserving of a "holiday" like this.
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I disagree with Bush. MLK isn't really worth a holiday nor worth the president wasting time visiting his gravesite. It's sickening how much attention he receives. There are hundreds if not thousands of figures in American history more deserving of a "holiday" like this.
Welcome to FYM. I would love for you to start a thread of your 100 people more deserving of a holiday than MLK. It would make an interesting topic. You are truly DYNAMIC.





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Welcome to FYM. I would love for you to start a thread of your 100 people more deserving of a holiday than MLK. It would make an interesting topic. You are truly DYNAMIC.





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This was SARCASM.

I'm not saying that MLK doesnt deserve a holiday.... but this subject has been debated quite a bit before, nationally. Some states do not observe MLK day, and most businesses do not either.

Lincoln doesn't even have a holiday anymore, nor does good ol' George Washington.
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I disagree with Bush. MLK isn't really worth a holiday nor worth the president wasting time visiting his gravesite. It's sickening how much attention he receives. There are hundreds if not thousands of figures in American history more deserving of a "holiday" like this.
Wow you've only been here for a few days and have already started two screen names. You could have at least changed up the location a little more and not been so obvious with your hate.
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I just joined the forum. I've been seeing a lot of bashing/insults/etc. (accusations of people you disagree with being the same person as an example). So I decided to speak.

People who deserve a holiday more than MLK include our forefathers, inventors, religious heros, war heros, and countless others who didn't just try to make a name for themselves. There have been plenty of modest Americans who have done plenty of good for this country. MLK wanted to be a celebrity and was given the holiday to appease a group of people who always want more. Now it's slavery reparations. Give me a break!

It's not like he made things better. Now blacks have opportunity (in the parts of the country where it was limited), but still are wasting it. Affirmative action is just as racist as anything I've seen.
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MLK wanted to be a celebrity and was given the holiday to appease a group of people who always want more.
Now that's brilliant. Maybe you should get the holiday.
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I wouldn't accept because I think only God and the ones who work for Him deserve it. A mass celebration of anyone's birthday other than Jesus Christ is wrong. It reminds of countries celebrating the fuher or the czar's birthday. It's like North Korea. It's wrong.
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