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Old 01-16-2004, 06:51 PM   #16
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it does not take a crystal ball to know this President has an abysmal civil rights record.

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The president's recess appointment of this anti-civil rights judge the day after laying a wreath on the grave of Martin Luther King is an insult to Dr. King, an insult to every African-American, and an insult to all Americans who share Dr. King's great goals," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. "It serves only to emphasize again this administration's shameful opposition to civil rights."
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It is a shame you did not post the next paragraph in which the judge comments on his record of meeting with the Black Caucus.

Of course, quoting a man who drove a car off a bridge, left the scene while the woman was still alive trapped in the car, and did not return until the next day. He is an excellent person to be the judge of others.
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Have we forgotten that Dr. King believed that Vice-President Nixon was possibly the better civil rights cqandidate in 1960 and that President Kennedy was just paying him lip service through most of his administration. History backs that up, many times the Kennedy's would not publicly meet with Dr. King and made sure that it did not get out that they had met up with him.

Kennedy told MLK that the country wasn't 'ready' for a civil rights bill prior to the 1963 Birmingham civil rights campaign, and the March on Washington later that year was intended at first to be a protest of how the administration had failed to enforce civil laws, but the Kennedys negotiated with the organizers of the march to change the tone of the speeches.
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Kennedy told MLK that the country wasn't 'ready' for a civil rights bill prior to the 1963 Birmingham civil rights campaign, and the March on Washington later that year was intended at first to be a protest of how the administration had failed to enforce civil laws, but the Kennedys negotiated with the organizers of the march to change the tone of the speeches.

They had to put a hell of alot of pressure on the Kennedy Administration to do something about civil rights. MLK and Co. took alot of flak for the Birmingham demonstrations, but they didn't have any choice. This is well documented in Diane McWhorter's "Carry Me Home" about the civil rights movement in Birmingham.
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What if he didn't say anything and just stayed in Washington for his birthday? He would have been criticized like hell.
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I'm a little torn over this. I don't agree with you that it's sad, but I'm not sure that's the way I would have dealt with the situation. In a way they were following the path layed by MLK, that of non violent protest. I understand where they are coming from, Bush hasn't exactly been the voice for all Americans(but that's a different debate). But I'm not sure if I would have chosen a gravesite to do my protesting.
I agree.

But yeah, at least the protest wasn't violent, which, if they must do it, is the best way to go.

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Old 01-18-2004, 09:03 AM   #21
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I think this is the real issue. Not Bush stopping to pay homage but using it as a way to not pay to go to his fundraiser.

BUSH EXPLOITS MLK'S GRAVE FOR POLITICAL FUNDRAISER

On last year's Martin Luther King Day, President Bush eloquently honored the memory of Dr. King, saying "I believe [in the] power of his words, the clarity of his vision and the courage of his leadership." This year, however, instead of honoring the legacy of Dr. King, President Bush has decided to use Martin Luther King Day as tool to force the federal government to subsidize a fundraising trip for his re-election campaign.

GUESS WHAT,,,,,this is not the way it works....LOL

Hate to burst you Bush hating Bubble! The Bush Campaign had to pay for most of the staff on the trip.

[Q]Some local critics claimed Bush was using the stop as a way to get taxpayers to pay for his trip to the fund-raiser for his re-election campaign.

Larry Noble, executive director of the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, said it doesnt work that way. Noble said a presidents campaign generally must foot the bill for out-of-town transportation if there is a fund-raiser involved, even if the trip includes official business.

In practice, the campaign wouldnt actually reimburse the entire cost of operating Air Force One, Noble said. Rather, it would pay the equivalent of a first class plane ticket for everyone on board, except for those aides who are attending for the official business but not the fund-raiser.[/Q]

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap...y.asp?ID=29214
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The irony isn't lost. Michael Moore called Nixon "America's last liberal president." Of course, it is more of a slam on his successors than a reflection on him, but he does mention this as one of his examples.

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Michael Moore? Who is he to comment on Richard Nixon? Did he ever walk a mile in Richard Nixon's shoes?

Think about it. Who really cares what Michael Moore has to say. CNN? Foxnews? MSNBC? At least, I haven't seen any evidence that gives three seconds of time to his boring, worthless opinions.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is... Post comments from people that have relevance.

No offense Melon. I think you're a good guy. I'm not trying to insult you, but please try to quote someone with half a brain*.

*By half a brain, I mean someone who doesn't say things simply for shock value, but really believes the bullsh*t they are spouting.
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Those who are suggesting or thinking that MLK would have approved of the war in Iraq need to become familiar with what he had to say about Vietnam.

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Slaney:

oh please, man
You may disagree with moore's views but he would sweep the floor with you in a debate

he's anything but stupid
and he is anything but boring

Hell, I know he has shortcomings but I also know he is quite politically savy
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oh please, man
You may disagree with moore's views but he would sweep the floor with you in a debate... I know he has shortcomings but I also know he is quite politically savy
* cowering in the corner

Politically savy?
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Those who are suggesting or thinking that MLK would have approved of the war in Iraq need to become familiar with what he had to say about Vietnam.

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I do not think a SINGLE person said that in here.

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I thought it might have been implied. Call my post a preemptive strike.

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GUESS WHAT,,,,,this is not the way it works....LOL

Hate to burst you Bush hating Bubble! The Bush Campaign had to pay for most of the staff on the trip.


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In practice, the campaign wouldnt actually reimburse the entire cost of operating Air Force One, Noble said. Rather, it would pay the equivalent of a first class plane ticket for everyone on board, except for those aides who are attending for the official business but not the fund-raiser.


Dread,

The cost of the trip was hundreds of thousands of dollars.


The costs of a few first class tickets does not begin to pay even a small percentage of the costs.


This is a loop hole politicians created to exploit corporate donations.


W's 2000 campaign was ferried around on Ennon's corporate Jet.

They paid mere pennies on the dollars of the costs.

McCain's "Plain talk" bus tour truly was commendable.
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I do not think a SINGLE person said that in here.

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Martin Luther King wanted rights for all people. The women of Afghanistan now know what human rights are thanks to Bush coming to their aid. The people of Iraq who saw hundreds of thousands of their family and countrymen gassed and killed by Saddam, they saw Bush come in and knock Saddam and his evil raping sons out of power. The people of Africa who are afflicted by AIDS are seeing Bush throw $ billions of medical supplies their way.
It's not explicit, but it's certainly implied that MLK would have supported Bush's war in Iraq.
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