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Old 07-15-2005, 10:26 AM   #16
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If you don't agree to my opinon, thats totally cool, but to say its offensive to people who live under dictaotirships, unless you do, you really cant say that you know?
To say Bush is worse than Hitler, Milosevic, Stalin, et al. is a pretty big stretch...and one that can't really be made, IMO.

I don't like him either, but I don't think he's evil incarnate. Dishonest, simple-minded, and easily led, maybe, but not evil.
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I think its offensive to even suggest that women shouldnt be allowed to have abortions
I think it's offensive to suggest that any one should have a right to murder human beings.

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I think its offensive that we hold back advanced medical research because of stupid christian fundamentalists.
I think it's offensive to call people who disagree with you stupid.
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I think it's offensive to suggest that any one should have a right to murder human beings.



I find it offensive any stuffed suit in DC would even consider taking away my rights.
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So, abortion is now a 'right'?

Dismantled, should there be any restrictions on that right?
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I don't even think he's our worst President, really. He's definitely in my bottom 5, but to me, it's really a travesty that Andrew Jackson appears on our MONEY. He should be appearing on government biohazard bags, maybe, but not money.
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I did mean alive in the world today, i should have made that clearer.

But i stress its my opinion. If you dont agree its fine honestly. I just think bush has more 'responsibility' because of who he is and he uses it in such a dishonest and awful "dictatorshippy" way. Thats all. To me, its not a big stretch. I dont compare him to anyone else, because he isn't like anyone else.

And 80s u2 is best, i dont argue with prolifers. Purely because you will never see it my way, and i wont see it yours. it will end in a statemate so lets not even try it
apologies for the stupid, i knew a nitpickers would pick up on it, i dont know why it kept it there
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So, abortion is now a 'right'?

Dismantled, should there be any restrictions on that right?
as with any other right. We have the right to bear arms..but we are not allowed to just kill because we have that right.
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If you don't agree to my opinon, thats totally cool, but to say its offensive to people who live under dictaotirships, unless you do, you really cant say that you know?


would you rather be an Iraqi under Saddam, or an American under Bush?

would you rather be a North Korean under Kim Jong-Il, or an American under Bush?

would you rather be a Serb (or, worse, a Bosnian) under Milosovic, or an American under Bush?

and we could go on and on and on ... Bush is terrible, i fully agree; i liked your point about him having great responsibility and failing on that front. however, to say that he belongs in the company of murderous dictators is such a stretch that it threatens the credibility of your other statements.
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He is the most vile, evil and dispicable man on this earth.
I don't agree with this. Don't misunderstand me, I demonstrated against Iraq, helped out in the Kerry campaign, and have signed a gazillion anti-Bush action petitions. Bush isn't Osama, let alone other real monsters.........I think he honestly thinks he's doing the right thing, it's just that I think he's wrong. I don't hate the guy.
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would you rather be an Iraqi under Saddam, or an American under Bush?

would you rather be a North Korean under Kim Jong-Il, or an American under Bush?

would you rather be a Serb (or, worse, a Bosnian) under Milosovic, or an American under Bush?

and we could go on and on and on ... Bush is terrible, i fully agree; i liked your point about him having great responsibility and failing on that front. however, to say that he belongs in the company of murderous dictators is such a stretch that it threatens the credibility of your other statements.
I'm not talking about people UNDER him, im talking about his desicions that affect the world.

In that way he's like a dictator.

He decides to invade Iraq, the UN says no, he ignores them. He makes up a lie (WMD) so other countries follow him thinking they are doing the right thing and the two main ones (England and Australia) have now both suffered from that alliance of LIES through the bali bombings (over 200 ppl killed) and recently the london bombings (55 and counting ppl died)

I'm saying he has a responsibility to the WORLD. He is supposedly the most powerful man on earth yet what has he done in his time in that position. Ignored 9/11 reports, waged a war on two helpless countries, killed thousands of innocent civilians in an invasion of their country, and still to this day has not come to a peaceful arragement. He is the protecetor of the free world, and instead of being intellgient, resourceful and kind, he is belligerant in the face of reason (the UN) and obviously holds american lives over the lives of any other on this earth. This is what makes him the uncaring vile man that he is.

While those dictators are bad, and yes i agree i would rather live in a first world country like america then iraq, nth korea or bosnia, i believe he has more responsibility to do things RIGHT then some militia men who got into power by threatening people.

thats why. Its like a dictator is already bad, he killed ppl to get where he needed to go, you only expect bad things to happen from him

A president of the united states should be moralistic, a man of the upmost intergrity, intelligiance, tolerance and forsight. He had further to fall and thus, is more evil and despiciable in my eyes.
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I'm not talking about people UNDER him, im talking about his desicions that affect the world.

In that way he's like a dictator.

He decides to invade Iraq, the UN says no, he ignores them. He makes up a lie (WMD) so other countries follow him thinking they are doing the right thing and the two main ones (England and Australia) have now both suffered from that alliance of LIES through the bali bombings (over 200 ppl killed) and recently the london bombings (55 and counting ppl died)

I'm saying he has a responsibility to the WORLD. He is supposedly the most powerful man on earth yet what has he done in his time in that position. Ignored 9/11 reports, waged a war on two helpless countries, killed thousands of innocent civilians in an invasion of their country, and still to this day has not come to a peaceful arragement. He is the protecetor of the free world, and instead of being intellgient, resourceful and kind, he is belligerant in the face of reason (the UN) and obviously holds american lives over the lives of any other on this earth. This is what makes him the uncaring vile man that he is.

While those dictators are bad, and yes i agree i would rather live in a first world country like america then iraq, nth korea or bosnia, i believe he has more responsibility to do things RIGHT then some militia men who got into power by threatening people.

thats why. Its like a dictator is already bad, he killed ppl to get where he needed to go, you only expect bad things to happen from him

A president of the united states should be moralistic, a man of the upmost intergrity, intelligiance, tolerance and forsight. He had further to fall and thus, is more evil and despiciable in my eyes.


hey, i mostly agree with you, except that i think London and Bali would have been bombed no matter what had happened with Iraq. Paris is next, Milan, Berlin, Toronto ... essentially, no major western cities are safe, and a country's participation in Iraq or not isn't going to make much of a difference for desperate, suicidal people who are going to make up a greivance as a justification.

however, i simply don't think you can say Bush is as bad as Kim Jong-Il. it just doesn't hold any logical water.
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I don't agree with this. Don't misunderstand me, I demonstrated against Iraq, helped out in the Kerry campaign, and have signed a gazillion anti-Bush action petitions. Bush isn't Osama, let alone other real monsters.........I think he honestly thinks he's doing the right thing, it's just that I think he's wrong. I don't hate the guy.
I agree!!! I think Bono even said he does not agree with everything Bush says but he does belive that Bushes heart is in the right place.... I am glad to be in a countrie where there is so much democracy I am thankful I was not born under dictatorship.
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hey, i mostly agree with you, except that i think London and Bali would have been bombed no matter what had happened with Iraq. Paris is next, Milan, Berlin, Toronto ... essentially, no major western cities are safe, and a country's participation in Iraq or not isn't going to make much of a difference for desperate, suicidal people who are going to make up a greivance as a justification.

however, i simply don't think you can say Bush is as bad as Kim Jong-Il. it just doesn't hold any logical water.
mmm, see i dont think that will really happen. Both times it was factions of Al Queida *sp* claiming responsibility because of their involvement with the usa and iraq, so i think that has something major to do with it. If and when the other citys have terrorist attacks, then i shall change my opinion but atm, i still believe we wouldnt have been targeted if we didnt go to Iraq or Afghanistan

And once again im saying tha ti can. And i think what ive said is logical enough. Perhaps i dont know enough about kim jong. but i do stand by my conviciton. An evil man isnt just someone who kills, its someone who has no respect for life, except his own. Its someone who does so much wrong, yet justifies it as right. Its someone who believes they are so above the law that they are the law.

That is what GWB is. Kim Jong may be as well, but as i said, they higher the man, the further he falls, the bigger mess he makes

But as i've said, im not comparing him to a dictator, because he isnt one. He's ina class all of his own thank god.
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He decides to invade Iraq, the UN says no, he ignores them. He makes up a lie (WMD) so other countries follow him thinking they are doing the right thing and the two main ones (England and Australia) have now both suffered from that alliance of LIES through the bali bombings (over 200 ppl killed) and recently the london bombings (55 and counting ppl died)
Bali was October 2002, Iraq was liberated from Saddam in 2003. Does the concept of time when dealing with cause and effect even matter too you?

Furthurmore what element of Iraq's WMD were lies, do you believe that Saddam never had these weapon stockpiles? if not then what was he doing too the UNSCOM inspectors all through the 1990's?

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And once again im saying tha ti can. And i think what ive said is logical enough. Perhaps i dont know enough about kim jong. but i do stand by my conviciton. An evil man isnt just someone who kills, its someone who has no respect for life, except his own. Its someone who does so much wrong, yet justifies it as right. Its someone who believes they are so above the law that they are the law.
Kim Jong Il runs a slave state, people are starving too death, the country has a network of concentration camps and there are persistent rumors from those who escape of chemical and biological weapons testing on inmates. You may not know this, in which case you are being ignorant of what goes on in the world, you may in fact know this, and I think that would be much worse.
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I don't even think he's our worst President, really. He's definitely in my bottom 5,
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ok, so you got W and Jackson

who are your other 3?
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