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Old 12-09-2005, 10:02 AM   #136
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Why is political correctness often considered to be a liberal cause?
Consider:
Europe is more liberal than the united states.
In Europe Christmas decorations are everywhere, including nativity scences in Trafalgur Square.
Therefore, the relationship between political correctness and liberalism is faulty.
Possibly, but I think this has also to do with the US constitution and the US having avowedly secular roots unlike many European countries.
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Old 12-09-2005, 10:15 AM   #137
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Doug, you *will not* put words in my mouth. Quote the post where I said those who insist on "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays" are less Christ-like, or withdrawl the accusation.

What I *did* say, for both Z and Doug, is that this



is about as unloving and arrogant an attitude as I've seen expressed here. You don't even need to be a Christian to see that. Z, are you seriously going to defend that as kind, humble way to treat people? NBC, are you going to defend it? If so, in my opinion, you've both lost all perspective about this issue. And I have lost all interest in this thread.

To those who posted for me--thanks for your kind words. Doug's probably right--I need to come up with a loving way to explain my position. I think I've done that on previous threads on this topic. I was--and am--so stunned though by the fact that Z. posted what he posted in defense of Christianity that I'm afraid for now at least, this is the best I've got.


well said, SD.

i think there are several people on here who have no perspective on this issue, it's very all-or-nothing and the possibility that someone, somewhere might not want to have "merry christmas" shoved in their face at every turn, yet Zoomerang appears to believe that this is his right to do so, which strikes me as a sure sign of insecurity.

i think everyone needs to grow up.

myself too. i started this thread because i thought the hysterics in the original article were worth their weight in gold. i snickered, a few times, and tossed it up there because i knew it would stir things up a little bit, but i thought everyone would find it funny.

though i will note that there are people in here who bemoan the lack of humor on FYM -- yet they are routinely the least receptive to humor when it comes to topics to which they are sensitive.

you can't have it both ways, and blaming the board for your own neurosis is hardly constructive.
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Old 12-09-2005, 11:35 AM   #138
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Sherry's post was unusual for her. It, in essense, said: I live a Christ-like life, you (the person insisting on "Christmas" instead of "holiday" to which she was responding) do not.

Zoomerang96 pointed this out in a less than polite way.

Now, if Sherry's words had been posted as an exchange between two other people, I'm fairly confident FYM would have had a much different response.
I can't imagine she would EVER imply anything of the kind, much less say it-no way, not from my observation of Sherry for quite a while around here. Sorry, I don't have the stomach to read any of the previous pages of this thread-once or again.

I for one don't care who the exchanges are between (although clear patterns might emerge as to people who want to continue to single out certain others)-it's all about the words said and the tone for me. And much of this thread is garbage in that way as far as I'm concerned and beating a tired old horse.
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Yikes! My interpretation of Sherry's post was this: She's a Christian and wants to be Christ-like by being respectful and sensitive to those that celebrate other holidays besides Christmas. I think she was simply disagreeing that even though as Christians WE celebrate Christmas, it's terribly un-Christian to assume that everyone else has to as well.


I'm completely repulsed by the fact that Z claims Sherry thinks she's holier than Christ, regardless of what she said or what she intended. When people start shit like that, they need to be called out on it.
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Sherry's post was unusual for her. It, in essense, said: I live a Christ-like life, you (the person insisting on "Christmas" instead of "holiday" to which she was responding) do not.

Zoomerang96 pointed this out in a less than polite way.

indeed, that was my point.
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and no, i don't REALLY believe she think she's holier than thou.

but her statement came across that way to me.
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Yikes! My interpretation of Sherry's post was this: She's a Christian and wants to be Christ-like by being respectful and sensitive to those that celebrate other holidays besides Christmas. I think she was simply disagreeing that even though as Christians WE celebrate Christmas, it's terribly un-Christian to assume that everyone else has to as well.
And the first part of Sherry's statement conveyed just that. Just to be fair, it was the "The attitude you've expressed above is the opposite of that" portion of the statement that added a dose of judgment.
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EDIT: meh, nevermind
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All I have to say is;Merry Holimas everyone!
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There's a lot of thoughts I have about this, too many to set down, so I'll just ask when we let Ebenezer start dictating terms of the holiday?

You don't want to celebrate Christmas? Don't. But about 80% of America is Christian, and CHRISTMAS is the holiday they celebrate. If you'd like to celebrate something else, or go somewhere where it's not celebrated at all, there are plenty of countries where you can do that. Have a good time, send me a Christmakwanakah card.
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All I have to say is;Merry Holimas everyone!
or Happy Christmahanukwanzika!!
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If you'd like to celebrate something else, or go somewhere where it's not celebrated at all, there are plenty of countries where you can do that. Have a good time, send me a Christmakwanakah card.
This is exacly the arrogance and the problem we have here in America.
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And Man made God in His own image.

God bless us, everyone.
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And Man made God in His own image.

This is so true. This is the BIGGEST problem I have with religion.

You see it in here and in church everyday.
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*Pokes head in tentatively*

Er...yeah, stepping into this thread rather late. Just going to avoid the arguments that have been going on here and simply say this:

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For the record I love Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, whatever. I don't care if you say Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas to me, just don't assume certain things about me because of my religious beliefs and/or affiliation, and don't disrespect that in other ways. I really don't think that's asking too much. It has gone too far when it can't even be called a Christmas tree, like I said in one of the other Idon'tknowhowmanythreads there have been about this topic.
. Agreed. Personally, I see both sides here. On the one hand, if Christians were in the minority here in this country, I would be willing to bet some of them would expect the majority to bend to their will and have "Happy Holidays" be the greeting of choice so they didn't feel left out and all that sort of thing. And if that were indeed the case, then that should be taken into consideration with the way things are now in regards to which religions are in the majority and which are in the minority.

But, at the same time, we can't go tiptoeing around constantly worried we'll offend people. I'm not going to tell people what they can and can't be offended by, but personally, it just seems a bit odd to me that people can get that upset over something as simple as a greeting, a well-wishing from a person who most likely is not meaning it to be offensive at all. Regardless, everyone has the right to be as offended as they want at whatever they want. But to try and tell people flat out what they should and shouldn't say just seems...I just don't agree with that, personally. Free speech and all that good stuff.

I personally do celebrate Christmas, so I don't really care if anyone says "Merry Christmas" to me. And I personally won't go out of my way to upset anyone who doesn't celebrate the holiday. But I still think people should greet others during the holiday season however they wish, and I also just personally think that considering all the other crazy stuff going on in the world right now, how someone greets you really isn't that much of an issue in the grand scheme of things. Besides, I would assume that every holiday, regardless of the religion it is affiliated with, would be promoting peace and harmony and goodwill and everything, so for people to be fighting at this time of year is kinda sad.

But meh. That's just my 2 cents.

*Quietly shuffles off to a corner and watches debate continue*

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