The Disciple
New Yorker
Well done, W.... now the interesting thing will b what is done NOW....
Iskra said:I just read the nursing Home story in full.
What the hell?!
they should be put in jail.
kellyahern said:
"To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.
finally he said something
I for one don't want to hold only one person responsible, but the buck stops in Washington DC not in Louisiana, Mississippi, or Alabama.
And I also want President Bush to give serious thought as to why African Americans feel the way they do about him. Introspection is healthy. And to think about what he as President and we as a country can do to make life for the poor and minorities better.
Irvine511 said:
it does seem as if even Mr. Bush disagrees with several FYMers about where blame belongs.
U2Bama said:
I would observe that most of the "several FYMers" you are likely referring to have applied the blame to multiple levels. That has been my intent all along. I think all Dreadsox ever intended regarding the school buses was that the city/state should have utilized them prior to Katrina's landfall. How's this: pre-landfall/preparation action leading up to landfall: the buck stops with local and state governments; post-landfall and levee breach aftermath, rescue and recovery, the buck stops with the federal government. Fair enough?
~U2Alabama
Iskra said:
Ultimately the buck stops with W.
You want to rul the country you have to take the blame too. [...] I don't stand around saying how nice the Emperor's new robe is just becuase he is my leader. Heads should roll on all sides but the majority of the blame is SQUARELY on George's shoulders.
He put a guy with ZERO experience in charge of FEMA.
If you put a guy with no experience in charge of your business no matter what it is that you do whether it is working at a 7-11 or running a Fortune 500 business and he screwed up.
You'd be fired.
Iskra said:As for the female governor remark...you are just making up supposed issues now.
Not every liberal is going to jump up with their hippie flag and stop eating their bran flakes, call the ACLU and freak out in the middle of a storm.
But then you guys are good at stereotyping.
Just ask the Katrina victims.
Iskra said:I did see that the nursing home owners were in jail.
I should have said:
They SHOULD be in jail.
Iskra[/i] [b]But then you guys are good at stereotyping. Just ask the Katrina victims.[/b][/quote] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dreadsox said:Horse shit.....
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take your stereotyping of me and stick it where the sun don't shine.
FizzingWhizzbees said:
Dread -- haven't you been posting here long enough to know that calling someone's opinion horse shit and advising them to stick their opinion where the sun don't shine isn't acceptable?
How about everyone making an effort not to make broad sweeping generalisations about others, avoid resorting to stereotypes and try to discuss the subject of this thread without insulting one another. Thank-you.
U2Bama said:
I would observe that most of the "several FYMers" you are likely referring to have applied the blame to multiple levels. That has been my intent all along. I think all Dreadsox ever intended regarding the school buses was that the city/state should have utilized them prior to Katrina's landfall. How's this: pre-landfall/preparation action leading up to landfall: the buck stops with local and state governments; post-landfall and levee breach aftermath, rescue and recovery, the buck stops with the federal government. Fair enough?
~U2Alabama
U2Bama said:
I would observe that most of the "several FYMers" you are likely referring to have applied the blame to multiple levels. That has been my intent all along. I think all Dreadsox ever intended regarding the school buses was that the city/state should have utilized them prior to Katrina's landfall. How's this: pre-landfall/preparation action leading up to landfall: the buck stops with local and state governments; post-landfall and levee breach aftermath, rescue and recovery, the buck stops with the federal government. Fair enough?
~U2Alabama
Irvine511 said:but i don't understand: i've been saying that of course there were failures at the local level, but the human catastrophe post-hurricane falls on the shoulders of the federal government. what i'm seeing from "said FYMers" is a near-pathological rush to the defense of Bush in particular when he himself has said that he essentially failed to perform the most basic function of government: protect the citizens.
nbcrusader said:
You confuse a questioning of rampant criticism with "near-pathological rush to defense of Bush". But I'm afraid that is what happens here in FYM. I guess this is just a different take on "if you are not with us, you are against us".
Irvine511 said:
i do think the nature of the forum facilitates this -- a series of monologues are less productive than one-on-one discussions held in person.
i don't think, though, that i'm confusing the two, but i think it's more that the questioning (though i'd say attacking) of the criticism (which has come from everywhere) is an implicit defense of Bush in the same way that criticism of, say, WorldCom is an implicit critique of Bernie Ebbers.
we have leaders so that we can determine accountability. with great power comes great responsibility, and it is disappointing to me when we find excuses for those in power to avoid responsibility and accountability.
Irvine511 said:i do think the nature of the forum facilitates this -- a series of monologues are less productive than one-on-one discussions held in person.
i don't think, though, that i'm confusing the two, but i think it's more that the questioning (though i'd say attacking) of the criticism (which has come from everywhere) is an implicit defense of Bush in the same way that criticism of, say, WorldCom is an implicit critique of Bernie Ebbers.
Scarletwine said:How this could be—how the president of the United States could have even less "situational awareness," as they say in the military, than the average American about the worst natural disaster in a century—is one of the more perplexing and troubling chapters in a story that, despite moments of heroism and acts of great generosity, ranks as a national disgrace.
nbcrusader said:Whether or not failure to attack Bush is a defense of Bush.
sallycinnamon78 said:LOL! Poor Fizzywizz. It must be tough dealing with us lot in the playground! I certainly don't envy your mod status in this forum!