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Both American parties are only held accountable to international corporations and conglomerates. It's a sad state of affairs and it's almost pointless who you vote for.
__________________These people's children have died for nothing. It's not pleasant to say, but that doesn't make it any less true. I would never, never give up my life for this ridiculous war, and for those who support it, if your life is too valuable to be shot down in some bumfuck village in Iraq, then so is the life of every soldier out there. Forget about joining - if you support this war, ask yourself if you are willing to die, today, for this cause? Yeah, I thought so. |
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![]() Guerra means "War" in spanish... |
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What struck me about Bacevich's article is that here is a man who is actually THINKING about what's going on Iraq.
That's so rare in our culture of snappy comebacks, straw man arguments, knee-jerk politics. Sometimes, I really fear for the future of our country that men like Bacevich (and thinking folks on the left and right found here in FYM) seem to be so rare. |
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Here are some more troops who want to stay in Iraq forever:
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I guess it all comes down to this
But as he waited two chairs down from where Lieberman would sit, Hedin said he'd never voice his true feelings to the senator. "I think I'd be a private if I did," he joked. What a place to be in, literally and figuratively speaking. |
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See I thought that getting rid of Saddam thus removing the need for troops in Saudi Arabia and eventually getting them out of the region was the long term goal (as in by 2008)
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Resolution 1441 justifies all of this. mistakes have been made, but things are going in the right direction. the only way that a bad thing will ever happen again is if we pull out in less than 60 years. |
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That may well be the case but the spectre of a nuclear Iran is worrying and the developments on the ground have changed (it isn't 2004, but then again it isn't 2005 or 2006 anymore - being able to consolidate the gains in the Sunni regions would be a good thing but given the political timetable it's impossible; especially since the Dems have basically declared that the change in strategy under Petreus is a failure regardless of the results.
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i am proud that American troops will continue to guard Saudi oil for the next 60 years.
don't we all see the gigantic hole in the increasingly desperate justifications being put forward? if it is all about the oil, and protecting the oil from Saddam, why do we now need American troops to guard it from a world without Saddam? |
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^ All of which does nothing to reduce the risk of terrorism. It doesn't stop the cash flow, it doesn't open other avenues of protest against these governments, it doesn't create economic opportunities; it's as if they spent three years with a pro-democracy cause and are now shifting to a hard nosed realist one achieving the ends of neither.
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Please, you had a legitimate argument questioning the surge, why vote for a plan you have no confidence in? |
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