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Old 05-24-2007, 12:39 AM   #76
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I don't think a digression into the political attitudes of academics is going to help the thread much, guys.
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2861, did you ever attend Jesus Camp?
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2861, did you ever attend Jesus Camp?
I'm not sure what you're referring to. Please explain.
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What does that have to do with anything, trev?

It's a documentary, 2861. We had a thread about it awhile back in here.
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Well, incredible loyal devotion to Bush and disdain for the liberal arts isn't something one gets at a young age unless there is some doctrination from somewhere.

Just curious, if a Jesus camp was involved.

I'm outta here.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. military is joining forces with the State Department to prepare a new Iraq strategy that includes negotiating cease-fire and power-sharing agreements with some enemy combatants, U.S. officials said Wednesday.

A "joint campaign plan redesign team" is preparing the diplomatic and military strategy for Iraq, which is expected to be approved by the end of the month.

The team laying out the new course for how to proceed in the four-year-old war is led by Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, the officials told CNN.

One element of the plan is to try to identify groups of people -- possibly including Sunni extremists and militia groups -- with whom U.S. officials feel they can do business, such as negotiating power-sharing and cease-fire agreements and granting economic aid, the sources said. (

But those with whom officials feel they cannot do business -- such as determined suicide bombers -- will remain targets of military forces, the sources said.

The officials cited an inability to maintain current troop levels into the summer as a reason for the changed course.

"We have been focused too long on defeating the enemy," one official said. "We need to bring them to the negotiating table."

Little else is known about the new plan and it has drawn little reaction.

But the announcement apparently is an acknowledgment that the traditional war-fighting stance of trying to capture or kill all insurgents is failing, that the country may have devolved into a civil war, and that the only way to proceed is to use military force sparingly and attempt to bring many insurgents into the fold.
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Sir, please tell me when I said that. I never implied that, nor do I believe that. You need to wise-up.

And martha, how am I "refusing to put up or shut up?"

Also, my age should have nothing to do with this conversation. I wish more college kids thought like me, instead of being fed all this anti-Bush, anti-government garbage that comes with attending a college. I'm not a premium member so I cant tell anyone's age here, but it wouldnt surprise me if some where just middle-aged hippies trying to re-live the war protests from the 60s and 70s.
OK, my bad. Was Snowlock with the anti-American comment.

You are such a friendly guy, really.


Btw., I'm 21 and far from being hippy.
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2861U2, I know disagreements with people who are on the opposite side of your beliefs are frustrating. I get frustrated myself, as you've seen here. However, I can't help notice that you are very quick to generalize. And, as a college administrator, I just want to advise you that that can be very dangerous. College is a great opportunity to meet people from all sorts of backgrounds and idealologies that you've never met before. Jumping to conclusions about people in the way you do can be dangerous outside of the message board.

Even if you feel like you don't fit in, you should still embrace the college environment. It is an opportunity that not everyone gets the chance to experience. You said you wish college kids thought more like you, but I'm sure there is already a student group that may share your beleifs, or close to it. Why not join that community?

And, I'd also recommend getting to know people on the other side too. I think if you had befriended some individuals who were different than you are, you may not be so quick to generalize. I'm not saying change your beliefs. Nobody is going to make you do that. I'm just saying it might be good to meet some other "liberals" and engage in conversation with them. You might be surprised by what you find.

Just a thought.
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Let's keep the thread on topic, and wait patiently for the proof and the hot hot pix of the WMDs.


Conservative porn.
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I did have something eloquent and meaningful to say, but I don't think it's worth it.
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I wish more college kids thought like me, instead of being fed all this anti-Bush, anti-government garbage that comes with attending a college. I'm not a premium member so I cant tell anyone's age here, but it wouldnt surprise me if some where just middle-aged hippies trying to re-live the war protests from the 60s and 70s.
I know it's hard to hold the minority opinion in here but really man, you may want to calm down a bit, you're giving the few conservatives in here a bad name. That statement is just crazy.
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bow chika bow wow!

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Let's keep the thread on topic, and wait patiently for the proof and the hot hot pix of the WMDs.


Conservative porn.
I found the WMDs!

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They're not as sexy as advertised.
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One element of the plan is to try to identify groups of people -- possibly including Sunni extremists and militia groups -- with whom U.S. officials feel they can do business, such as negotiating power-sharing and cease-fire agreements and granting economic aid, the sources said.
I can remember a time not too long ago when people, who opted for negotiations with even the moderates, were labelled appeasers and un-American. I guess some people just have to learn these things the hard way.
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