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Old 04-24-2006, 10:32 PM   #31
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The Government does not advocate abstinence from driving.

It says if you are going to drive
- do it as safely as possible.


There are some that believe the internal combustion engine
is a sin against humanity and the God's green earth.

And they may choose to abstain from driving. God bless them and God Bless America.


The government bans (and even criminalizes) plenty of behaviors - not just doing it safely.
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Old 04-24-2006, 10:35 PM   #32
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The government bans (and even criminalizes) plenty of behaviors - not just doing it safely.

What do you mean?

Could you elaborate?
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Old 04-24-2006, 10:46 PM   #33
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Deep, I need a cigarette too.
If I were to write something about eating out (In-N-Out for those who live in California), would that be too obvious and easy of a pun?
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Old 04-24-2006, 10:48 PM   #34
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The FDA controls just one branch of these controls over personal behavior.

Laws, rules and regulations come from all corners of government - federal, state and local.

Why can't you jump of the pier?
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Why can't you jump off the pier?
To advocate abstaining from jumping off a public pier is not unreasonable.
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You just made W's case.
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Old 04-24-2006, 10:56 PM   #37
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If people want to jump off the pier, I really could care less.

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Old 04-24-2006, 11:03 PM   #38
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The FDA controls just one branch of these controls over personal behavior.

Laws, rules and regulations come from all corners of government - federal, state and local.

Why can't you jump of the pier?
Shouldn't be any reason not to, suicide should be a right.
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You just made W's case.
How so?




To advocate abstaining from driving
is as legitimate as advocating abstaining from sex.

Actually abstaining from sex, over a lifetime,
is more detrimental to an individual than abstaining from driving.
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Actually abstaining from sex, over a lifetime,
is more detrimental to an individual than abstaining from driving.
That is unrelated to the question. It is also the imposition of a value judgment on someone else.
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You just made W's case.


and his case is that of nanny-state morality -- we know what's best for you, poor dear, therefore we're going to regulate your personal behavior and impose our morals upon you.

let's continue by requiring people who want to be parents to attain a parenting license. they should have to take parenting classes, undergo psychological evaluation, have their living situation observed by a trained government professional, and then submit their application to the relevant government agency. after all, there are enormous social costs to bad parenting -- we need to make sure that only those we deem acceptable to be parents, those who hold our shared moral values, actually become parents.

but god forbid we impose any sort of government regulations on big business!
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let's continue by requiring people who want to be parents to attain a parenting license. they should have to take parenting classes, undergo psychological evaluation, have their living situation observed by a trained government professional, and then submit their application to the relevant government agency. after all, there are enormous social costs to bad parenting -- we need to make sure that only those we deem acceptable to be parents, those who hold our shared moral values, actually become parents.

but god forbid we impose any sort of government regulations on big business!
I think that would be a fabulous idea....but if you fail parenting class then what? You have to pass driving classes and an exam before getting your driving license - why not develop some kind of education before getting a marriage license - then maybe the divorce rate wouldn't be at 50%
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I think you guys are making too much of an issue out of this. Ideally, you should wait ´till marriage (that way you can prevent STD´s, unwanted pregnancies, etc.). If you don´t, then that´s your problem. I don´t see how the government is cornering anyone here.
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and his case is that of nanny-state morality -- we know what's best for you, poor dear, therefore we're going to regulate your personal behavior and impose our morals upon you.

let's continue by requiring people who want to be parents to attain a parenting license. they should have to take parenting classes, undergo psychological evaluation, have their living situation observed by a trained government professional, and then submit their application to the relevant government agency. after all, there are enormous social costs to bad parenting -- we need to make sure that only those we deem acceptable to be parents, those who hold our shared moral values, actually become parents.

but god forbid we impose any sort of government regulations on big business!
What about the current "nanny state" we live in? You could fill book shelf after book shelf with the laws, rules and regulations that shape, control, influence, direct, punish and prevent individual life choices.

And "big business" (when does it become "big" by the way?) has even more rules and regulations to follow.

Starting a business or opening a store is no easy task in today's regulatory framework.
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I wasn't under the impression that abstinence-only curricula are all that widespread nationally....?
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