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Old 09-20-2006, 04:32 PM   #61
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QUOTE OF THE WEEK!!!



No, no, no. The quote of the week and I read it early yesterday morning with a cup of coffee in my hand when I had just logged on to my computer and it had no frame of reference is:

where's the sex with monkeys, mac, WHERE'S THE SEX WITH MONKEYS!?!?!?!?


I just about spit the coffee on the floor. Out of context, it was just a funny way to wake up when I had no idea what you guys were discussing...


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The U.S. markets hit another 5 year high today and I'm guessing that Bush's numbers could inch up a little more if that continues.
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public opinion polls on Iraq = bad
public opinion polls on Bush = bad, unless he's over 35%, then, good
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Yeah, Bush's approval rating may be 44%, but that's still pretty anemic.
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Old 09-20-2006, 07:32 PM   #64
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but 44% is brilliant! it's like the percentage of those who might have actually voted. it could be about 25% of the total population, though possibly up to maybe 30% of actual people in the US who support him. maybe as much as 35%.
The poll was only based on 1,000 people. Elections are the real gauge and those who don't vote in them automatically authorize the outcome.
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The poll was only based on 1,000 people. Elections are the real gauge
And it's been almost 2 years since the last one, so that really isn't a guage either...
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and why would people have expected it to be easy?

could it have been the whole "greeted as liberators/the oil will pay for it/it's gonna be a cakewalk" rah-rah bullshit spewed by the administration throughout 2002?

clearly, the administration thought it would have been easy as well, since it's not like they had a post-war plan to begin with.

let's all realize that the point of Iraq was to send a message -- we can invade your countries and topple your leaders quickly, and then leave just as quickly. the administration wanted to knock of Saddam, and then install Chalabi, and then leave in time for the 2004 election.

too bad reality doesn't work that way.

welcome to America's biggest mistake since Vietnam.

or could it be the bullshit so often spewed by many liberals who fail to acknowledge anything the military has accomplished in Afghanistan and Iraq and will only talk about the negative events inside both countries there be creating a distorted image that does not truely reflect the reality on the ground in both places as as so often been expressed by soldiers and marines that have served in both countries.

The State Department and Pentagon have had dozens of plans for the invasion and occupation of Iraq since 1991. No plan is ever perfect and taking down a regime and rebuilding a country is always a tasks that takes years if not decades. The administration chose to make several changes to existing plans that probably contributed to a lot of the problems that soon arose after Saddam had been defeated.

Iraq had been an ongoing problem for years, and the containment regime that had been built in 1991 had totally fallen apart by 2002. There was effectively no no arms embargo or sanctions across the entire Syrian/Iraq border by the year 2000. Airstrikes currently being contemplated against Iran were tried in 1998. Despite Billions of dollars being spent every year, weekly airstrikes on Iraqi air defense and related military targets for 12 years, Saddam had not complied with the Security Council Resolutions necessary for the security of the region and the planet. Everything short of full scale military action to remove the regime and tried and failed to enforce the resolutions vital the security of the world after 12 years. That in a nutshell is why regime change was necessary.

The administration successfully brought democratic elections to Iraq within 20 months after the fall of Saddam. Years earlier than it was done in either Germany or Japan. Nothing in regards to the political development of the country by the administration has demonstrated that they had any idea of installing anyone much less Chalabi.
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Poll: A Split On Confronting Terrorism
Country Divided On Whether To Go After Terrorists In The Mideast

NEW YORK, Sept. 20, 2006
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Fast Fact

Most Americans, 56 percent, say torture is never justified, while 35 percent say sometimes it is.

(CBS) An overwhelming majority of Americans believe Islamic fundamentalism is a real and growing threat — and that terror groups like al Qaeda ultimately want to destroy the United States — but they are divided on what to do about it, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll.

Seventy-six percent of respondents say Islamic fundamentalism is a real and growing threat to the United States. Forty-seven percent think the U.S. will be safer if it confronts terrorist organizations and states in the Middle East, as President Bush advocates, while 45 percent say the country will be safer if it stays out of other nations' affairs in the region.

THE U.S. WILL BE SAFER FROM TERRORISM IF IT…

Confronts terror groups and states in the Mideast
47%
Stays out of other countries' affairs in Mideast
45%

While Mr. Bush and the Senate seek a compromise on new rules governing the treatment of terror suspects, most Americans, 63 percent, think the United States should generally follow international agreements on handling prisoners of war.

Most Americans, 56 percent, say torture is never justified, while 35 percent say sometimes it is.

IN TREATMENT OF POWs, THE U.S. SHOULD…

Follow international agreements
63%
Do what it thinks right, regardless of what other nations think
32%

Mr. Bush has had some success in convincing the public that the Iraq war is part of the broader war on terror. Forty-nine percent of Americans now feel the two conflicts are connected, up five points from a month ago.

But the president has failed to convince the nation on other matters. Fewer than half those polled think withdrawing from Iraq would increase the terror threat to the United States, as Mr. Bush and members of his administration have asserted, or that withdrawing now would mean admitting defeat.

The president has gained some ground on his handling of the war, with 36 now giving him a positive rating, up six points from last month and the highest rating he has received since January.

But overall assessments of the Iraq war are largely unchanged from last month, with six in 10 respondents continuing to say the war is going badly.

The president's overall approval rating remains steady at 37 percent, about where it's been all year.

BUSH'S JOB APPROVAL

Approve
37%
Disapprove
56%

Mr. Bush's numbers for his handling of the campaign against terrorism is unchanged — even in the wake of the five-year anniversary commemorations of the Sept. 11 attacks — though the issue remains his strongest, with 54 percent approval.
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but the reality of Bush's victory in 2004 was that he won with 50.7 percent of the popular vote to Kerry's 48.2 percent. you'd have to back to at least the early 1800s to find a president who has been re-elected by a closer margin and entered the office with a lower aprroval rating (49% in December of 2004, and he hasn't been that high since).
The reality is that Bush won by the smallest margin of any of the 16 Presidents who have been re-elected. But Bush is one of those 16 Presidents out of the 43 that have served. The result could have been 5 times as narrow, but the fact remains that Bush was re-elected which as history shows is very difficult to achieve. The fact that he was re-elected by the smallest margin is secondary to the fact that he was re-elected.
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I thought Bush had the narrowest victory for an incumbent since 1916 when Woodrow Wilson squeaked through to win. He'd had a relatively easy run in 1912, when the Republican Party was split. The Republicans were united in 1916 and really gave Wilson a run for his money.
Woodrow Wilson won by 3 percentage points while Bush won by 2.5 percentage points.
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I find it humorous that you started this thread when you always denounce polls.

Its the #1 metric used by the Presidents opponents to claim that he is somehow politically powerless to do anything and has lost all his support in the country. Now their #1 metric is no longer supporting their widely held claims.
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The reality is that Bush won by the smallest margin of any of the 16 Presidents who have been re-elected. But Bush is one of those 16 Presidents out of the 43 that have served. The result could have been 5 times as narrow, but the fact remains that Bush was re-elected which as history shows is very difficult to achieve. The fact that he was re-elected by the smallest margin is secondary to the fact that he was re-elected.
my personal feeling is that if Saddam Hussein wasn't captured then he would have had no chance
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The poll was only based on 1,000 people. Elections are the real gauge and those who don't vote in them automatically authorize the outcome.
let's use common sense. 1,000 people asked something indicates fuck all in a nation as large and diverse as yours. your elections, frankly, are something similar.

how you guys can be proud is an affront the the intelligence and likewise diversity (?) of supporters of the rep. party.
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let's use common sense. 1,000 people asked something indicates fuck all in a nation as large and diverse as yours. your elections, frankly, are something similar.

how you guys can be proud is an affront the the intelligence and likewise diversity (?) of supporters of the rep. party.
Scientific polls usually involve around 1,000 people even in a nation as large as the United States. In any event, I'm not pushing these polls as the #1 gauge of feeling in the country, thats what Bush's opponents are doing which is why I brought up the poll showing that their #1 metric no longer shows the "devil" as being as unpopular as they so often claim.

The elections are the real gauge and there is going to be one in 7 weeks.

Do you have a better way of gauging the popularity of the US President?
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The elections are the real gauge and there is going to be one in 7 weeks.

Do you have a better way of gauging the popularity of the US President?
The correlation between the election in 7 weeks and president's popularity is pretty small. I know quite a few Republicans who have now changed their minds about Bush but still plan on voting Republican in 7 weeks.
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I know quite a few Republicans who have now changed their minds about Bush but still plan on voting Republican in 7 weeks.
Then they really are morons.
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