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Old 09-19-2006, 07:22 PM   #16
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Lincoln was VERY unpopular president. He won the election in 1860 with less than 40 % of the vote, and it weren't for some late summer Union victories in 1864 - he may not have been re-elected.

The point is this: a president should just do the best job he can, with the full measure of integrity and moral judgment, and forget the polls.
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Old 09-19-2006, 07:29 PM   #17
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after a month long, full court press, filled with terror stories of Islamofascists coming to drink the blood of American children, and the 5 year anniversary of 9-11 that was fully politicized by the president in a prime time address, 44% is all he has to show for it?

a dose of reality:

The reality is that Bush's poll numbers have been steadily increasing since early May when he was at 31%. The past month has only marginally contributed to the total increase since May. I suspect as the 2006 election campaign gets more intense, Bush's numbers will probably drop. But no one predicted that President Bush would get so close to 50% in only 4 months back in May. It is not inconceivable though that Bush numbers may continue to rise as election day draws closer. The current numbers suggest that the opposition to Bush is not nearly as strong and deep as many said back in May. But who controls the House and Senate after November 7 and by what margin will be a better indicator than any of the polls over the past year.
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I didn't read the whole thread, but nobody should try and make 44% seem good just because it used to be lower

its still pretty damn bad

So 44% approval is "pretty damn bad"? What would you think of numbers like 49% approval, 47% disaproval where more people approve of the job the President is doing rather than disapprove? Would that be "good" or "ok" or "bad"?
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I wondered what you were saving your 8000th post for?
Actually, this was 8001, 8000 is on page 2 with no response.
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Given that the Valerie Plame outing has been shown to not be a Rovian plot (a topic that has recieved very little attention on the forum) iI don't think this is altogether unexpected.
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Given that the Valerie Plame outing has been shown to not be a Rovian plot (a topic that has recieved very little attention on the forum) iI don't think this is altogether unexpected.
The American public could give a shit about that. It's about the War and oil prices. Now that the elections are getting closer, gas prices are dropping drastically here.
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So 44% approval is "pretty damn bad"? What would you think of numbers like 49% approval, 47% disaproval where more people approve of the job the President is doing rather than disapprove? Would that be "good" or "ok" or "bad"?
I'd say bad is below 50%

ok is 50%

good is 60%

regardless of how much support you need to become a president once you win everybody would support you if its evident your doing a good job. maybe bush has improved slightly in the second half of this year, but its still not good by any means

also AEON, your point about Lincoln being very unpopular is pretty much pointless because of the civil war causing the southern half of the country to vote against him
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also AEON, your point about Lincoln being very unpopular is pretty much pointless because of the civil war causing the southern half of the country to vote against him
Actually, he was very unpopular in the North during his administration.
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The American public could give a shit about that. It's about the War and oil prices. Now that the elections are getting closer, gas prices are dropping drastically here.
Thats not what a good number of posts have said over the last year, and all for naught too.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush Job approval rating now at 44%

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You're right - the media has a conservative bias.

Seriously, do you really think it is a stretch to say the media is left leaning?
Right of Center:
Fox News
US & World Report
The Economist

Left of Center:
ABC
NBC
MS-NBC
Wall Street Journal

Solid Left:
BBC
CBS
NPR
CNN

Unbelievably Left:
New York Times
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Thats not what a good number of posts have said over the last year, and all for naught too.
Yeah, but the people on this forum do not really represent what the American public generally cares about.


Otherwise, we'd have a different president.
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Right of Center:
Fox News
US & World Report
The Economist

Left of Center:
ABC
NBC
MS-NBC
Wall Street Journal

Solid Left:
BBC
CBS
NPR
CNN

Unbelievably Left:
New York Times
The Guardian
You consider WALL STREET JOURNAL as left of center? I have to say that you'd have to be 'unbelievably right' to see them as left of center. also, if you consider BBC as leftist, then I'd assume you consider any outlet that doesn't propagate the American conservative agenda in the world as leftist. BBC is one of the most balanced TV stations I have seen. It is funny how you conveniently dont have Fox News in the 'ridiculously right' column though, since most of their news are just pure, stinking trash.

You have to know one thing though, Europe is much more socially progressive than US conservatives are. So it is not surprising that you would see the guardian as 'unbelievably left'.
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socially progressive
Could you please describe this term?
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Could you please describe this term?
Here it is, straight from Wikipedia:

'Social progressives believe that some historical mores are wrong or dogmatic and that present knowledge gained from science and philosophy has disproved many traditional beliefs. In the past, social progressives advocated abolition of slavery and the right to vote for women. Today, social progressivism in the West generally supports same-sex marriage, birth control, and women's right to choose an abortion.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_progressive
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Actually, he was very unpopular in the North during his administration.
really? they sure don't teach that in school

I stand corrected then
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