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Old 08-01-2004, 11:25 AM   #31
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I'm sick of this "other side" shit.
We may have political differences but some of my neighbors are from that "other side" and I support and care for them. Hell even some of my family is the "other side".
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Old 08-01-2004, 01:22 PM   #32
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I heard Rudy Guilliani talking the other day about Kerry and he hit the nail in the head. He said he wants someone in office that can do something thats right and not someone who will change his mind every 5 minutes and be afraid of what people think. He wants someone to make choices even when they are not popularand not be afraid to do so. Face it, Kerry is WEAK-MINDED. Have we ever seen someone flip-flop their votes and mind more than this guy. I have an idea, lets vote for the war and then say I'm against it. Good idea. And I think if people actually knew the issues they'd vote for Bush.

i.e. The economy, taxes, job rates - they are all intertwined, right?

Each bit of money you make gets taxed to hell - it gets taxed when you earn it through working, that same money will get taxed when you invest it and if you make any money off of your investment (as you should!) and you buy a house, then that gets taxed. Now, I'm not sure about everyone here, but the more money the gov't gets, thats less money in your pockets. has anyone here been hired by a poor person? Well, the people offering jobs might not be able to do so if kerry is elected. if people start businesses, then they hire people and the job market booms hence an economic rise.

Now bash me, but the fact remains Kerry will be a strain on our economy - and thats a fact, not me being anti-Kerry.
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I have an idea, lets vote for the war and then say I'm against it. Good idea.
Maybe at the time he voted for the war, he thought that things were going to turn out better than they are right now. And now that he sees the problems going on, he's started changing his position on the war. That can happen all the time-I don't necessarily see that as "flip-flopping" as much as regretting your support for something.

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And I think if people actually knew the issues they'd vote for Bush.
From what I've seen based on both candidates' stances on the issues, I'm sorry, I still cannot put down a vote for Bush. He's done too much stuff to make me angry as of late.

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Old 08-01-2004, 04:01 PM   #34
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I heard Rudy Guilliani talking the other day about Kerry and he hit the nail in the head. He said he wants someone in office that can do something thats right and not someone who will change his mind every 5 minutes and be afraid of what people think. He wants someone to make choices even when they are not popularand not be afraid to do so. Face it, Kerry is WEAK-MINDED. Have we ever seen someone flip-flop their votes and mind more than this guy. I have an idea, lets vote for the war and then say I'm against it. Good idea. And I think if people actually knew the issues they'd vote for Bush.

i.e. The economy, taxes, job rates - they are all intertwined, right?

Each bit of money you make gets taxed to hell - it gets taxed when you earn it through working, that same money will get taxed when you invest it and if you make any money off of your investment (as you should!) and you buy a house, then that gets taxed. Now, I'm not sure about everyone here, but the more money the gov't gets, thats less money in your pockets. has anyone here been hired by a poor person? Well, the people offering jobs might not be able to do so if kerry is elected. if people start businesses, then they hire people and the job market booms hence an economic rise.

Now bash me, but the fact remains Kerry will be a strain on our economy - and thats a fact, not me being anti-Kerry.
I'm not sure you really know the issues. Many in congress voted for the war and then changed their view as new information came out including some Republicans.

Let me ask you something, do you think defecit spending during wartime is a smart idea?
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If it keeps us safe, yes.

Kerry in his speech said any and all terrorists will be met with swift action if they choose to act . But the key point is that first we will get hit, then he'll do something. Bush is in pre-emptive mode. He is trying to get them before they get us. And let me save your breaths before all the lefties in here get in a huff. Well, then why are we in Iraq? It has nothing to do with the Al Qaeda. All info the pres had suggested they had the materials and its a known fact Saddam was trying to get his hands on uranium - a main component of nuclear weaponry. And US troops are all over Afghan trying to seize dangerous weaponry and people.

With the terror threats that just came out an hour or two ago, I'd rather have Bush in office. Don't get me wrong, I think Kerry would do a decent job, but not to Bush's level.
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Have we ever seen someone flip-flop their votes and mind more than this guy.

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has anyone here been hired by a poor person? Well, the people offering jobs might not be able to do so if kerry is elected. if people start businesses, then they hire people and the job market booms hence an economic rise.
Flip-flopping politicians and trickle down economics, now who does that remind me of? That's right -- George Bush denouncing the economic policies advocated by Reagan (the champion of trickle down economic theory) as "voodoo economics" and then suddenly embracing them himself!
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Old 08-01-2004, 07:26 PM   #37
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"Now bash me, but the fact remains Kerry will be a strain on our economy - and thats a fact, not me being anti-Kerry."

No giving a tax cut during a war (the first in US history) is REALLY straining our economy. I for one don't like owing trillions to China.
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you have to look at the overall picture and not nit-pick. if we want to nit-pick, we could have a field day on your man. and if I hear Kerry speak about Vietnam one more time, I'm gonna lose it.

and I read people on here saying that they'd kill themselves if Bush wins. Please, lets not take it that far.
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Bush is in pre-emptive mode. He is trying to get them before they get us.

So you believe in "guilty until proven innocent"?

I am not saying we shouldn't stop terrorism before it happens...I believe Bush has done a good REACTIVE job since 9/11 (honestly, it is our - U.S. - own ignorance to think that something like that couldn't happen on our own turf). BUT, to proactively send troops to wherever there is a possibility of a terror is just going to lead to more people hating America.

Let's protect ourselves HERE...like we are doing in our airports and cities. Let's create security measures in our sea ports before they attack there.
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whats this? are my eyes seeing correctly? someone here agrees with something that Bush is doing i.e. Homeland Security.

Zoney, I respect your comments as I think you know what your talking about, but I profoundly disagree. I don't know if its where I live or the uneasiness I'm feeling, but stopping terrorism is nearly impossible. You can not stop someone from putting explosives in their car and blowing it up in a crowded area. Its similar to troublesome insects or whatever...you don't just squash what you see, but you have to go to the nest to really get at the problem. And thats what Bush is doing. Taking a wait and see approach has bad news written all over it....You have to get to the center of the problem. This is why i don't understand why half the nation is against him, he's looking out for YOUR safety.
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This has been said a few times in this forum and elsewhere, that terrorism can not truly be easily defeated and is infact probably almost impossible. I agree with this. Yet, Bush tries. Admirable it might be, but it is not going to achieve the goal is it. By supporter's admissions, it wont. He is wasting lives, resources, money. It's a battle (over terrorism) which wont be defeated in a war or a conflict. Iraq or any of these places having a coalition troop presence will not see the end of it. Bush might put out spot fires, but it's the best he can hope for. And the cost frankly, doesn't justify it. Something which needs to be watched very closely is the opinions of some of these places toward America and the affiliated west. Is troop presence fueling something bigger than the grounds to currently work from?

But like verte said (in this thread or another, sorry I cant recall) the humanitarian issue was a good enough reason for this in the first place. I truly think that is a fine enough reason. To use it to aim to put an end to terrorism or even throw the proverbial spanner in the works is, I feel, futile. It's not enough, or the right avenue. It's not something. Fueling hatred is not going to stop 'them' attacking 'us'.
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My disliking of Bush has nothing to do with what he is doing with Homeland Security. I deal with post 9/11"Homeland Security" measures daily in my job. And I agree...you can't stop terroristic actions. They will find a way to do it if they want.

BUT, I am all for making sure that we have all the information we can possibly get to justify military actions in another country. Our military actions lead to even more hate. Some kid watches his mother accidently run over by a humvee (ok...this is going to be a "way out there" story ), and the people in his culture/community tell him that the US had no reason for being in his hometown, and suddenly, we have a teenager who is willing to do a suicide bombing. It's cyclical. And I am not sure if it is right.

edited to say, Angela Harlem is way more eloquent than I am. on what she said in her first graph.
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As opposed to sitting back there and letting people suffer because we dont think its our place to interfere, kind of an its allright when arabs kill arabs because hey their arabs what else do we expect world view. The racism of lowered expectation is what builds this concept of non interference and I for one am sick of it. The UN stands by while people die and they try to maintain the status quo of "peace" well I tell you there will never be peace while people suffer needlessly and the only way to end it is to initiate change. We can either try this which is a new form of the interventionist liberalism of old or we can sit back and wait for the enemies of the free world to develop the tools to wipe out civilization.

Everyone deserves to be free

There is no bad reason to remove a thuggish dictatorship

Terrorism will only end when it is not a viable option that achieves results.
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Old 08-02-2004, 12:49 AM   #44
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EVERY administration, EVERY politician shamelessly lies. Why is anyone shocked? Why is it suddenly a big surprise?
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Bush sets a world record for all the lies he's told, or is about to tell. He still has
some time left to make up more lies.
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The thing is, these people are going to keep on attacking the U.S. no matter what we do. If we do nothing, then they will continue to terrorize us without any fight. As I read I think in the Post this morning, we are the "brass ring" for the Al Quada. Hitting us on U.S. turf is golden for them.

True, I agree with the above two posts that we will be alienating some people with our pre-emptive measures, but if not, we will be sitting ducks. And i'm not willing to just sit here in the middle of the fire waiting for something to happen. If my safety is in jeopardy, like a wounded animal, they will take all measures to ensure their safety. You have to infiltrate. I just hope the U.S. has people infiltrating Al Quada..who knows though as they would never speak about that.

But i think the main difference in people views comes down to international affairs....some people put int'l relations before other things, which could be dangerous in the most extreme cases. And i'm not saying I'm against int'l relations, I actually am a dual-citizen with the EU, its just some things come first and tough choices need to be made.
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