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Old 09-21-2004, 09:35 AM   #31
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Really? Because I still haven't seen any apologies from the news organizations that let those Swift Boats guys run their mouths and pass that off as truth. Many reporters were dupped into thinking those guys were impartial when they obviously weren't.

And NB -- honorable discharge? So what? Bush still has not proven that he ever set foot on an Alabama base other than to get his teeth checked. Prove he was there with documents and collect the $50,000.
The Swift Boat Veterans are privately funded ads (essentially commercials). Also their ads run thorugh several issues about Kerry and not just the criticism of whether or not he deserved his medals. These news organizations were running with news stories and THEY did run critical commentary on the ads with the vets involved.

CBS wouldn't even take into consideration the words of the family, Col. Staudt, their own experts, experts outside of CBS, etc... CBS really screwed it up and if Kerry's campaign can actually be linked to those memos, I don't think the debates will make a difference. That is a big IF though.
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CBS really screwed it up and if Kerry's campaign can actually be linked to those memos, I don't think the debates will make a difference. That is a big IF though.
Yeah that would be on the scale of another Watergate type scandal.

I have one question for all Bush bashers/Kerry lovers though: If Bush is sooooo bad, soooo wrong and sooo stupid why do people have to start faking things to make him look bad? Wouldn't there be enough on him already?
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the democrats are understandably scrambling in response to this. what we have seen is incredible.
one of the most venerable news outlets of our time and its star have both lost face, the influence of bloggers has never been greater.

the democrats, or those close to the party, felt it necessary to lie about something that there is good existing evidence to prove true and the republicans/swift boat veterans have managed to make truth out of statements that are contrary to official documents that were uncontested for decades and are vouched for by many.

it is unbelievable.
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Going To Any Lengths To Beat Bush?

Political Affiliations of Viacom Board Could Impact CBS Case

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Experts in corporate governance say the directors of CBS's parent company, Viacom, are obliged to assume some role in resolving the fiasco over CBS News's use of what appear to be fake documents about President Bush's military record.

The political affiliations of Viacom's board and senior management, however, could undercut the credibility of any action the board may take.

Viacom's chairman and chief executive, Sumner Redstone, is a self-described "liberal Democrat" and a prolific donor to Democratic campaigns. Of the company's 13 board members, eight contribute primarily to Democratic candidates and party committees. Two other members of the board, Joseph Califano and William Cohen, held cabinet posts under Democratic presidents.
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Looks like Dan Rather and CBS were "victims" of faulty intelligence and perhaps guilty of "group think."

A lot of that going around...
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Political Affiliations of Viacom Board Could Impact CBS Case

thank you for posting this nbc.
it is sensitivity to issues such as these that are neccessary across the political spectrum.
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The Honorable Discharge creates the presumption that GWB completed his service.

Exactly, it creates a presumtion. How do we know his superiors WEREN'T pressured give him an honorable discharge? Why won't he release his FULL records which prove he did his FULL time and his FULL service in Alabama and Boston? If he was honorably discharged, he has nothing to hide by releasing ALL documents including attendance records from Alabama and Massachusetts.

As for Lockhart, two links below.

Full disclosure but this if from the DNC -- makes you wonder if the RNC was making Kerry look bad.
http://www.democrats.org/news/200409210003.html

This is a transcript from Bill Hemmer's interview with Lockhart.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/21/ltm.03.html
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Do you think if anyone was doing this they'd be out in the open about it? You will not find links for underhanded stuff. Of course there would be coverups too!
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McAuliffe: Will GOP Answer If They Know Whether Stone, Others Had Involvement With CBS Documents?

Washington, D.C. - In response to false Republican accusations regarding the CBS documents, Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued this statement:

“In today’s New York Post, Roger Stone, who became associated with political ‘dirty tricks’ while working for Nixon, refused to deny that he was the source the CBS documents.

“Will Ed Gillespie or the White House admit today what they know about Mr. Stone’s relationship with these forged documents? Will they unequivocally rule out Mr. Stone’s involvement? Or for that matter, others with a known history of dirty tricks, such as Karl Rove or Ralph Reed?”
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McAuliffe is really grasping now, eh?
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LOL at deep's source...
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maybe it was Oliver Stone.
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Letters to the editor from my local newspaper - The OC Register


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Where's the Bush apology for Iraq?

So CBS has apologized for a "mistake in judgment." How about an apology from George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to the more than 1,000 servicemen who have died and the many more injured in Iraq because of their "mistake in judgment"?

We have occupied another country under false pretenses. Seems like this error is much more serious than a media error about some old service record.

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Hmm....

Dan Rather
-- had fake documents
-- used fake documents to tell story

Bush
-- had fake documents
-- used fake documents to take us to war
Anyone remember that Nigeria yellow cake?
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