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Old 09-21-2004, 06:13 AM   #16
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Dan Rather and CBS obviously cut corners to air a critical story regarding Bush. It came back to bite them in the ass. They owe Bush an apology. If Kerry had been the target instead of Bush there would be a hundred thousand outraged iberals marching on the capital calling for investigative hearings.
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Outing a CIA agent for political gain is NEVER right, and Novak should no longer have his job... Novak should have been fired, but CNN won't do that because he gets them ratings.

Anyone who says Dan Rather wasn't aware the documents were suspect at best is absolutely kidding themselves. This isn't some network lackey... this is Dan F'ing Rather. He should at least be suspended, it not fired. But again... CBS won't do that, because he gets them ratings.

Maybe it's all a vast right wing conspiracy led by Bill O'Reilly and Ruper Murdoch
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Rather was trying to be a good journalist and do a story. His problem was that he didn't fully question the motives behind his "unnamed source" for these documents. If we attack Rather, we should attack Novak for the same thing. A Republican outed the wife of a Democratic rival as a CIA agent and rather than questioning the motive, Novak ran it as is, risking the country and Valerie Plame's life -- much harsher than the documents in this case.

And it still doesn't answer the big question: WHERE WAS BUSH? Even he hasn't been able to answer that question after years of denying he did anything wrong. PROVE IT!

Texans for Truth will pay $50,000 to anyone who can prove Bush served in Alabama. The money, after several weeks, is still up for grabs.
Two words: Honorable Discharge


Get over it.
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Dan Rather and CBS obviously cut corners to air a critical story regarding Bush. It came back to bite them in the ass. They owe Bush an apology. If Kerry had been the target instead of Bush there would be a hundred thousand outraged iberals marching on the capital calling for investigative hearings.
CBS won't appologize to Bush. Their statement was heavily laced with "we are a victim".




What will be interesting is the developing story on the connection between the fake memo and the Kerry campaign.
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Old 09-21-2004, 07:35 AM   #21
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Two words: Honorable Discharge
+ and a whole lot of black marker. dont forget the black marker.

that this is even an 'issue' is comical but...
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Old 09-21-2004, 07:56 AM   #22
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Dan Rather and CBS obviously cut corners to air a critical story regarding Bush. It came back to bite them in the ass. They owe Bush an apology. If Kerry had been the target instead of Bush there would be a hundred thousand outraged iberals marching on the capital calling for investigative hearings.
Really? Because I still haven't seen any apologies from the news organizations that let those Swift Boats guys run their mouths and pass that off as truth. Many reporters were dupped into thinking those guys were impartial when they obviously weren't.

And NB -- honorable discharge? So what? Bush still has not proven that he ever set foot on an Alabama base other than to get his teeth checked. Prove he was there with documents and collect the $50,000.
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But the Swift Boat Vets accusations have not been adequately countered, Kerry did actually meet with North Vietnamese officials and did level charges against those he served with that were lies. The questions about his medals are in my opinion just as valid as those questioning Bush's guard duty.
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And NB -- honorable discharge? So what?

The Honorable Discharge creates the presumption that GWB completed his service.

The burden of proof rests on those who continue to believe that he should not have received an honorable discharge (and no using fake memos ).
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What will be interesting is the developing story on the connection between the fake memo and the Kerry campaign.
And do you have any proof of this?
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And do you have any proof of this?
Why, thank you for asking.

Kerry adviser spoke with CBS document source

Lockhart denies it (of course he would), but the timing and fact of actual discussions should raise questions (even in the minds of Kerry supporters).
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On this thread:
http://forum.interference.com/t95989.html

I was talking about a 32 page memo of Gerald A. Lechliter (a retired Army colonel with active Marine enlisted service (1967-69))
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/.../lechliter.pdf

Afik this is not based on faked documents and he had some excelent points which i'd love to discuss on the above mentioned thread
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Oh, this will be rich

CBS arranged for meeting with Lockhart

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WASHINGTON — CBS arranged for a confidential source to talk with Joe Lockhart, a top aide to John Kerry, after the source provided the network with the now-disputed documents about President Bush's service in the Texas National Guard.
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CBS arranged for meeting with Lockhart
The link seems not to work (but I think you are referring to this page: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ocuments_x.htm )

Still, these stories do not tie the Kerry campaign to the fake memos. They state that the source (Burkett) wanted to talk to the Kerry campaign in exchange of handing the documents over to CBS. CBS agreed with that, so CBS contacted the Kerry campaign. There were no actions on the Kerry campaign on this, they were the ones who were called. It does not look good on CBS, but I don't see where the Kerry campaign can be tied with these documents...

From the same USA Today article you quoted:
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But Burkett said Monday that his contact with Lockhart was indeed part of an "understanding" with CBS. Burkett said his interest in contacting the campaign was to offer advice in responding to Republican criticisms about Kerry's Vietnam service. It had nothing to do with the documents, he said.

"My interest was to get the attention of the national (campaign) to defend against the ... attacks," Burkett said, adding that he also talked to former Georgia senator Max Cleland and Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean during the past 45 days. "Neither the Democratic Party or the Kerry campaign had anything to do with the documents," he said.
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At this point, Burkett has zero credibility.
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