Vincent Vega
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
struckpx said:that was his sentence. the judge ordered it.
That's not exactly right. Any lawyer would have lost his license in a case of a prison sentence. It was just a formality.
struckpx said:that was his sentence. the judge ordered it.
struckpx said:that was his sentence. the judge ordered it.
struckpx said:I am not a Bush supporter. I support Rudy Giuliani.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
struckpx said:
What now leftists? OMG, your president did that!
struckpx said:Its the bigger idea of the immigrants. The Democrats are ultimately using this as a way to hack at Bush. What about Clinton? Look at this long list of commutations by him:
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clinton_comm.htm
What now leftists? OMG, your president did that!
He pardoned more people than any other modern day President. Here is a long list of the former Democrat's Presidents Diplomatic Moves:
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
President Bush has commuted 1 person, pardoned 3. Whose corrupt?
struckpx said:Its the bigger idea of the immigrants. The Democrats are ultimately using this as a way to hack at Bush. What about Clinton? Look at this long list of commutations by him:
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clinton_comm.htm
What now leftists? OMG, your president did that!
He pardoned more people than any other modern day President. Here is a long list of the former Democrat's Presidents Diplomatic Moves:
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
President Bush has commuted 1 person, pardoned 3. Whose corrupt?
Vincent Vega said:
Want to discuss immigration? Fine, start a thread.
Pardoning and commuting itself is no corruption at all. Brininging up those figures don't prove anything, and don't make anyone corrupt. If it was corrupt per se, do you think a President would be allowed to pardon or commuting?
struckpx said:
well, since you aren't capable of quoting the respectable comment, I thought I would for you.
Vincent Vega said:
And I thought my English wasn't that bad.
Vincent Vega said:
Want to discuss immigration? Fine, start a thread.
Pardoning and commuting itself is no corruption at all. Bringing up those figures doesn't prove anything, and don't make anyone corrupt. If it was corrupt per se, do you think a President would be allowed to pardon or commuting?
Bush was known to be very strict when he was Governor of Texas. He signed a tremendous amount of death sentences, and barely ever pardoned one.
As a President, that didn't change.
No one is more corrupt only because he pardoned orcommuted anyone.
And something else. Your arguing is basically: Clinton pardoned and commuted people, so it's not wrong if Bush commutes the sentence in this very case at all. That's just baseless. You cannot make anything right only because someone else did something similar, or something that in its core is the same.
If the pardoning or commuting in any of Clinton's cases was wrong, or corrupt, call him out on this. That is wrong then.
But that wouldn't change, in any case, that this time Bush committed this very mistake. It just doesn't make his action right.
Clinton is history, and you can't say: "If this President made a mistake there, the next has to be allowed to do the same himself." If one gets away with it, lucky him. If the other gets caught, his pity. It's as easy as that.
But before going on about Clinton you should take out an actual case and evaluate it on its own.
Nevertheless, it's not any topic here.
Vincent Vega said:That's again way besides what I've written there, as well as lots of assumptions you can't have read out of that comment.
We aren't looking at the Democrats, nor Clinton, nor the Republicans.
We are looking at the commuting of the sentence of Scooter Libby by Bush, which is highly controversial, and hardly justified yet.
That case, you have to evaluate. Nothing else.
If you ever became a juror, you couldn't argue the case at hand with other things that are very, very lightly connected. Some things here have no connection at all.
Lila64 said:and logic like that, or lack thereof struckpx is what usually keeps me out of FYM
Watch Olberman's video or read the transcript.
I'm out
struckpx said:
he is trying to pardon 12 million people currently, but there is no public uproar at that.
struckpx said:
well, the impeach Bush isn't showing much either.
it would be appropriate if it was cheney, but bush has not been that bad.
phillyfan26 said:All arguments about Clinton or immigration are 100%, completly irrelevant.
Some people have forgotten the issue. Allow me to sum up:
The issue is whether President Bush is covering up anything by COMMUTING Scooter Libby. This means Libby does not have to serve the 2.5 year prison sentence which the judge gave him, which is in the law for perjury. Prison terms are required for perjury. Also, he retains his fifth amendment rights, unlike if he was pardoned. There is much suspicion of him covering the tracks of VP Cheney.
Discuss that.
struckpx said:
It is still on appeal, therefore we can not debate the finality of his tenure in jail.