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Old 07-06-2007, 08:39 PM   #436
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hahaha, ok. No comment. It's not worth arguing.
You've admitted this, though, so how am I incorrect?

Please address the rest of my post you quoted before.
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:42 PM   #437
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You've admitted this, though, so how am I incorrect?

Please address the rest of my post you quoted before.
I don't want to get into it. I am not going to comment anymore on this matter. It is a waste of time arguing over nothing. And I could write out the history of every event in this case. That still wouldn't be enough evidence for some here. So, go ahead and continue w/ your "Impeach Bush" slogans.
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I don't want to get into it. I am not going to comment anymore on this matter. It is a waste of time arguing over nothing. And I could write out the history of every event in this case. That still wouldn't be enough evidence for some here. So, go ahead and continue w/ your "Impeach Bush" slogans.
It's not nothing, though, that's the thing. It's a government cover up.

By saying, "I don't want to get into it," do you mean that you have no rebuttal for my point?
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I don't want to get into it. I am not going to comment anymore on this matter. It is a waste of time arguing over nothing. And I could write out the history of every event in this case. That still wouldn't be enough evidence for some here. So, go ahead and continue w/ your "Impeach Bush" slogans.
It probably would do you good to step away for awhile. Just for sanity sake.

A government cover up isn't a little thing. And because you keep saying that, I really don't think you grasp what's happened, and I'm positive you couldn't write out the whole history for your facts have been incorrect in many of your posts.
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Is there any hope for this country?
as scummy as it may be it's bush's constitutional right to do so, a right that has been used scummily in the past by presidents from both democrats and republicans, will be used in the future in scummy ways by both parties.

heck, reagan pardoned george steinbrenner... GEORGE STEINBRENNER! if we can surivive that, i think we'll be okay on this one.
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Ah I'd forgotten that, Steinbrenner indeed...a dark day for sure. And I think Don King got pardoned on a MURDER conviction by the at-the-time governor (Ohio I think?).

You know, I hadn't looked at this thread in 3 days and amazingly enough it actually managed to go downhill I think my favorite is "Bush wasn't involved in the cover-up, other than the commutal". Great. He's not involved in Iraq either, except for that lil' ol' war thingy. Or, to bring it back to Clinton because everyone's had a great time bringing his name up in this one...Clinton wasn't involved with that BJ either, except for the getting his d...never mind.

Unbelievable.
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it's so good to discover that Bush, our Christian President, has finally discovered mercy and compassion!

he didn't have any as governor of Texas:

[q]In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, a number of protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask. Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them", he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with Tucker, though. He asked her real difficult questions like, 'What would you say to Governor Bush?'" "What was her answer?" I wonder. "'Please,'" Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "'don't kill me.'" I must look shocked — ridiculing the pleas of a condemned prisoner who has since been executed seems odd and cruel — because he immediately stops smirking.[/q]
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I still don't understand why a president has this right to commute and pardon people...it is like a big 'fuck you' to the court system and the rule of law. Hmm I wonder if the pm of the UK has any similar rights....it just seems a completely daft rule.
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This is the exact reason why I support our(UK, Canada, Oz, NZ) constitutional monarchy system.

Our shared Queen has power, but doesn't use it. The government(PM) uses the power but doesn't hold it. Our head of state and head of government are 2 different people. Democracy working at it's best. This could be another topic though.
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This is the exact reason why I support our(UK, Canada, Oz, NZ) constitutional monarchy system.

Our shared Queen has power, but doesn't use it. The government(PM) uses the power but doesn't hold it. Our head of state and head of government are 2 different people. Democracy working at it's best. This could be another topic though.
So you are saying that our democracy doesn't work? I find it to be the best in the world regarding checks and balances. The President has some power, Congress has some, and the Judicial Branch has some. They all even out.

This ploy by Congress, regarding today's actions, is merely a way for them to get the pressure off themselves, for they have been able to do nothing for their first year in office. In return, they try to keep the heat up on Bush to offset their lack of victories in Capitol Hill.

Our democracy is still the finest ever.
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The President has some power, Congress has some, and the Judicial Branch has some. They all even out.



the current administration isn't terribly fond of the division of powers or checks and balances, especially our vice president. after all, it gets in his way of adequately defending the country as he and he alone sees fit, thusly, we've seen the greatest expansion of executive powers -- all justified by the purposefuly vague "war" on terror -- in all of our lifetimes, and perhaps since the civil war.


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i might have agreed with you in 1999. but no one can reasonably say that 2001-2009 were banner years in the history of American democracy.

no one.
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I still don't understand why a president has this right to commute and pardon people...it is like a big 'fuck you' to the court system and the rule of law. Hmm I wonder if the pm of the UK has any similar rights....it just seems a completely daft rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon
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struckpx -- "So you are saying that our democracy doesn't work?"

I never said your democracy doesn't work. I said, this current pardon issue with Libby is why I prefer our constitutional monarchy system over the US system.

The example being, our Queen can only grant pardons on advice of the gov't. Pardoning power in the US is granted to the President.
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struckpx -- "So you are saying that our democracy doesn't work?"

I never said your democracy doesn't work. I said, this current pardon issue with Libby is why I prefer our constitutional monarchy system over the US system.

The example being, our Queen can only grant pardons on advice of the gov't. Pardoning power in the US is granted to the President.
k. sorry about the confusion.

i just don't want to make it seem that our president has dictative powers, because that is far from the truth. almost every power he has can be overruled in some way.
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...regarding checks and balances. ... They all even out.
Just not in this case.
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