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Old 07-06-2007, 04:16 PM   #391
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To summarize this thread, everyone trying to defend Bush did so by ignoring the actual issue.
Isn't that what Bush did?

HIGH-OH!
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:19 PM   #392
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I don't think this should be locked


this story
may still have more to play out

some of us

may want to not keep posting the same questions that do not get replies


we all choose what we want to reply to
in here

I don't see the need to get upset when one does not get a reply

are any of us compelled to respond?

(don't answer that)
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I was gonna ask your opinion deep, but you apparently are no longer premium. At least in the sense of this forum.

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may want to not keep posting the same questions that do not get replies


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I don't see the need to get upset when one does not get a reply

are any of us compelled to respond?

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Old 07-06-2007, 04:41 PM   #395
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perhaps Bush should grant himself and Cheney pardons like
Ford did for Nixon

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Much of US favors Bush impeachment: poll
Jul 6 03:59 PM US/Eastern
Nearly half of the US public wants President George W. Bush to face impeachment, and even more favor that fate for Vice President Dick Cheney, according to a poll out Friday.

The survey by the American Research Group found that 45 percent support the US House of Representatives beginning impeachment proceedings against Bush, with 46 percent opposed, and a 54-40 split in favor when it comes to Cheney.

The study by the private New Hampshire-based ARG canvassed 1,100 Americans by telephone July 3-5 and had an error margin of plus or minus three percentage points. The findings are available on ARG's Internet site.

The White House declined to comment on the poll, the latest bad news for a president who has seen his public opinion standings dragged to record lows by the unpopular war in Iraq.

The US Constitution says presidents and vice presidents can be impeached -that is, formally charged by the House -- for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" by a simple majority vote.
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They had a petetion takers at a super market here in Newport Beach yesterday, to impeach Cheney, I almost took a picture.
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perhaps Bush should grant himself and Cheney pardons like
Ford did for Nixon
Honestly,

I do expect to see a lot of blanket pardons on his last day in office.
Especially if a Dem wins Whitehouse and there are Dem gains in Congress.
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I read an article where this guy predicts Cheney will resign for "health reasons." One can only hope!
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I read an article where this guy predicts Cheney will resign for "health reasons." One can only hope!
What would be the point at this juncture, except to bolster the GOP.

W's poll numbers would go up, and it would take some pressure off the GOP candidates for congress, kind of like when Rummy resigned.

It may just be a question of timing.

Not before the end of 07 or early 08?
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Well, he would certainly resign if any impeachment procedure was initiated (not that it will be, anyway).
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Let’s get something straight:

Impeachment is not about conviction and removal in the Senate. Impeachment is a stand-alone action of the House of Representatives, and requires a simple majority.

Under the Constitution, there is no obligation for the Senate to even hold a trial after someone is impeached. It is an option, which is up to the will of the Senate.

When the Founding Fathers drew up the impeachment clause, they envisioned it as its own punishment. Trial and removal were seen as a wholly separate process, in addition to impeachment.

Under the Constitution, after investigating the high crimes and misdemeanors of a president or other federal officer in an impeachment panel composed of the members of the House Judiciary Committee, which would then approve articles of impeachment, the House would vote on whether to impeach the executive.

If they concluded that Bush or Cheney, in this case, had abused their power, or had damaged the nation, or committed treason or bribery, they could then vote to impeach.

At that point the president and/or vice president would stand impeached.

For all time, they would be known as defilers of the Constitution--or perhaps as traitors, depending upon the nature of the articles approved by a House majority.

Their nefarious actions—the lying to Congress and American people, the violation of international laws, the violation of the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Amendments, the subversion of elections, the obstruction of justice, the criminal negligence, the war crimes, the usurping of the power of the Congress and the Courts—would all stand publicly condemned by the People’s Body.

Whether they resigned, went on to a Senate trial, or just ran out their remaining terms of office, Bush and Cheney would leave Washington with a big red “I” emblazoned on their chests to the day they died. Nixon wore that scarlet letter even though he never even had his case go as far as a House vote. His rotting corpse still wears that bright letter of shame.

So forget that red herring about a Senate trial being a non-starter.

Who cares about a Senate trial! For myself, I think that once we got those impeachment hearings going, and once the crimes of this administration started being aired on live television for all to see, and without the mediation of reporters and spin doctors, a Senate trial and conviction would be extremely likely, but whether I’m right or not really doesn’t matter.

What we need is impeachment hearings and impeachment by the House!
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please. Bush is not directly involved w/ any of this. it is cheney, rumsfeld, and powell that should be the ones in jail, not libby. impeachment is another immature response to strong emotions.
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please. Bush is not directly involved w/ any of this. it is cheney, rumsfeld, and powell that should be the ones in jail, not libby. impeachment is another immature response to strong emotions.
Wait a minute, NOT Bush, but include Powell?
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