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Old 07-06-2007, 02:44 PM   #376
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Could you clarify the cover up, the initial leak was not done to discredit Wilson.
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:45 PM   #377
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The cover up:

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Okay, I'm getting tired of the personal attacks, and irrelevant issues brought up in here. I want a REAL discussion. Granted, I haven't been continously staying on this case from day one, when Plame was first outed. However, given what I've read so far, here is the UNOFFICIAL timeline of events.

Jan 2003 - President Bush said that Saddam Hussein obtained uranium from Africa

June 2003 - C. Rice lies on Russert's "Meet the Press" about who "knew" this information

July 2003 - Ambassador Wilson (Plame's husband) writes an op-ed in NYT calling out the administration

Then, as we all know, Plame's name is leaked. The current trial is investigating whether this administration ordered the leak to retaliate against Wilson and to prevent other people from coming forward as he did and calling them out. Bush admin. welcomed the case, and said that whoever was found responsible for leaking Plame would be fired.

Libby has lied in response to the key question here, who ordered the leak. Fitzgerald said that a cloud rests over Cheney. In what I've read, it is clear that Cheney is involved, and Libby is lying to protect that. I wouldn't be surprised if Bush is implicated too. But clearly Cheney. If the special prosecutor in this case says, based on his information gathered, that it is clear Cheney is involved, then why wouldn't that be plausible?

Bush orders Libby's commutation, thus A) allowing him to maintain his 5th amendment rights and B) allowing him to get away with, and continue to lie to protect their involvement. Thompson & Matalin have been pushing hard to raise money for his defense fund. Libby himself has not had to pay the $250,000 out of pocket.
Okay. There you go. It is a rough sketch, but I have laid it out. Hopefully we can move forward with this. If ANYBODY has anything to offer to support/critique this timeline, I am all ears. This is what I've read thus far. I'm up for a meaningful discussion with valid points rather than us spinning in circles with attacks and irrelevant topics.

diamond, you said "the left" have laid out their points for argument. THESE RIGHT HERE are my points.
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:47 PM   #378
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Are you aware that Libby is covering for Cheney, who ordered the leak of confidential CIA information, and that with Bush commuting him, he does not have to speak, and thus is covering Cheney on the issue?
Yes, but do you know that if you read between the lines, Judith Miller (the New York Times reporter who went to jail) received a "voluntary" waiver from Scooter Libby giving her permission to speak to the courts. So, that should have been taken note of. Libby allowed himself to be put out there, but she decided not too do that.
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Yes, but do you know that if you read between the lines, Judith Miller (the New York Times reporter who went to jail) received a "voluntary" waiver from Scooter Libby giving her permission to speak to the courts. So, that should have been taken note of. Libby allowed himself to be put out there, but she decided not too do that.
Of what relevance does this have to Bush using the commute to cover up Cheney's orders?
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Of what relevance does this have to Bush using the commute to cover up Cheney's orders?
Nothing. I am talking about the cover-up.
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Nothing. I am talking about the cover-up.
What cover up are you talking about? We're talking about Bush covering up Cheney's CIA leak orders. That's what this thread is about.
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I can't get over the fact that after I blatantly pointed out that I'm an independent, you called me a liberal.
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I am displaying the point of how Scooter Libby gave this woman the right to tell the authorities about him and everyone else w/ this waiver. Where is the cover up in that? He is giving himself up so she can get out of jail.
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Right. The reporter got her info from Libby. No cover up there.

The point of this thread/discussion is that Libby took the fall for Cheney. Cheney okay'd the release of info about Plame. The commutation of the sentence prevents anyone from going after Cheney for releasing classified info. That is the cover up.
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What the HELL does Judith Miller have to do with the fact that Libby was indicted because his testimony to a federal grand jury was inconsistent with previous notes?

Libby PERJURED himself and no amount of Armitage or Miller or Clinton or Tinky Winky changes that nor has any relevance!

This discussion is so beyond unreal and stupid that it's really not worth it.
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I am displaying the point of how Scooter Libby gave this woman the right to tell the authorities about him and everyone else w/ this waiver. Where is the cover up in that? He is giving himself up so she can get out of jail.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about, just like Bill Clinton, immigration, and partisan politics.
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To summarize this thread, everyone trying to defend Bush did so by ignoring the actual issue.
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Yes, but do you know that if you read between the lines, Judith Miller (the New York Times reporter who went to jail) received a "voluntary" waiver from Scooter Libby giving her permission to speak to the courts. So, that should have been taken note of. Libby allowed himself to be put out there, but she decided not too do that.

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