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Old 07-06-2007, 02:27 PM   #361
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It's in the Constitution. Just like we have Freedom of Speech, the President has the right to do that. As we can protest, he can issue commutals. That's the way life goes. Sorry.
I think I said the same thing 2 replies before you posted this

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I don't think anyone has posted that Bush did not have the Constitutional Right to bail out Libby.

Again, has anyone said he did not have the right to do it?
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It's in the Constitution. Just like we have Freedom of Speech, the President has the right to do that. As we can protest, he can issue commutals. That's the way life goes. Sorry.


Did you even read my post? Honestly, it's like you haven't even looked at what I've said:

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It's not about the legality of him using it. No one is denying that he has the ABILITY as President of the United States to commute and pardon sentences.

Here is the problem that we have, that you still seem to not understand:

THIS IS A COVER UP! A COVER UP!

This has nothing to do with President Clinton! Bringing up Clinton means nothing. We are discussing the fact that Libby is covering for Cheney, who ordered a leak of classified information. Because it really isn't Libby's fault that he followed orders, Bush decided to commute him so that he doesn't have to get jailtime for PERJURY, which was only used to cover Cheney's ass. We are discussint the fact that, because he was COMMUTED (NOT PARDONED, as people were discussing earlier with Clinton), he retains his fifth amendment rights and doesn't out Cheney.

Here's how the Clinton arguments don't work:

1. His pardons were pointed out. This was not a pardon.
2. This isn't a partisan issue.

I'm not a Democrat! I have no partisan bias against President Bush. So, quit making this thing into a damn partisan issue. We're not comparing Bush to anyone. That was never the issue. We are discussing the commute used to cover up.
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I direct you to my last one. And if we are unwilling to provide arguments and counterarguments, than might as well stop arguing. I know its hard to believe that Clinton was a terrible president and many of you are unwilling to face that, but don't make yourselves look foolish by not accepting the different facts provided. I am proving a point that you are unwilling to look into b/c of political views that are blurred.
Again, please address the questions that unico aked.

Why do you think he ordered the commute?
Why do you think libby lied?

Your response has nothing to do with either of these questions.

And as deep pointed out, for all the questionable things Clinton did while in office, he never commuted the sentence of anyone who worked in his administration.

You seem to be the one who has the blurred political views who is is unwilling to debate this seriously.
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Everyone. You are not willing to accept any of my arguments while they are very logical. Have you even read my thread? I think you stopped reading once you saw the name Clinton.
i don't know what thread you are talking about. you've started no thread that had the subject line of clinton in it.

i think you need to quit making assumptions. honestly. if you can't respond to my questions then you might as well not respond to my posts. your arguments are NOT dealing with the issue at hand. i'm pointing in a very specific direction here and you avoid the issue by mentioning clinton's reign.

and with your assumptions, you've assumed that i thought that clinton was a great president. again, you know what happens when you assume, right? you've no idea my stance on bill clinton's politics. all ive maintained is that what he has done is irrelevant to what is going on:

the bush administration lied about their intentions of pursuing a war in Iraq to the public
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Again, please address the questions that unico aked.

Why do you think he ordered the commute?
Why do you think libby lied?

Your response has nothing to do with either of these questions.

And as deep pointed out, for all the questionable things Clinton did while in office, he never commuted the sentence of anyone who worked in his administration.

You seem to be the one who has the blurred political views who is is unwilling to debate this seriously.
I am going to have to wait until more facts come out. The story has not played out yet. How so, I have already admitted that he did this to help his man in a previous thread. Did you read that?

I am also making the point that regardless, if this was a Democrat or Republican President, the same result would have occurred.
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The President must have some authority. W/out it, he would have no power and we would not need a president. The court system would become corrupt and could rule whatever it wanted.
You may want to do a quick refresher on the three branches of Government.

checks and balances

the last thing the constitution provides for is an Executive that has power over the Judiciary

that would be more like a Monarchy or dictator.
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I am going to have to wait until more facts come out. The story has not played out yet. How so, I have already admitted that he did this to help his man in a previous thread. Did you read that?

I am also making the point that regardless, if this was a Democrat or Republican President, the same result would have occurred.
Again, I ask you to read my post, but in response to this:

IT IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE!
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Again, I ask you to read my post, but in response to this:

IT IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE!
Yes, it is. Everything in Washington is.
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Yes, it is. Everything in Washington is.


We're not arguing republican vs. democrat here. That's why we keep attempting to tell you that Clinton is unrelated. We're arguing about the COVER UP.

Again, again, again, I ask you to read the post that I requoted up on this page.
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I am going to have to wait until more facts come out. The story has not played out yet. How so, I have already admitted that he did this to help his man in a previous thread. Did you read that?
this is what makes me think that you don't even read my posts. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor himself, said that a cloud rests over the white house, given all the information he has collected. Have you read up on the issue? Or do you just know what you know from coming in here and reading a select number of posts? The facts are out there for all of us to see.
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Yes, it is. Everything in Washington is.
That is awfully pessimistic.
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this is what makes me think that you don't even read my posts. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor himself, said that a cloud rests over the white house, given all the information he has collected. Have you read up on the issue? Or do you just know what you know from coming in here and reading a select number of posts? The facts are out there for all of us to see.
I have not read every detail. I have read interesting details about the prosecutor however. He needs to be investigated as well I believe.
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I have not read every detail. I have read interesting details about the prosecutor however. He needs to be investigated as well I believe.
So, you've argued this whole time, and you don't even know about the cover-up?

That's what the issue is!
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So, you've argued this whole time, and you don't even know about the cover-up?

That's what the issue is!
I knew about that, but I have not read specific details about the history of the prosecutor, etc. That is very important to the case as well.
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I knew about that, but I have not read specific details about the history of the prosecutor, etc. That is very important to the case as well.
Are you aware that Libby is covering for Cheney, who ordered the leak of confidential CIA information, and that with Bush commuting him, he does not have to speak, and thus is covering Cheney on the issue?
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