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Old 07-05-2007, 06:28 AM   #256
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p.s. Bush did not pardon Libby.
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If anyone has an issue with a Clinton pardon why not start a thread about it...we can discuss & debate that there. Since this is a thread about BUSH COMMUTING Libby's sentence I don't really see where Clinton & pardons are relevant.

Oh and why didn't GWB commute Lil' Kim's sentence? Kanye West was right.
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I know this administration tends to think they are above the law. However what do you all think could be the next step in this matter? What can Congress do in response?

I mean, this is bigger than just outing an agent, this traces way back to the coverup of the administration's true intentions of invading iraq, and the false information they have been feeding the public.

If I were the spouse of any government agent at this point, I'd be afraid to even step outside of my home and watch everything I say. It is almost as though this administration is using this as a warning to everybody and getting them to keep their mouths shut if they try to call the administration out on some of the crap they do. I think it is very interesting that in this entire case, the only person who has served jail time was a journalist.
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Re: Bush commutes Libby's prison sentence

I think what bush did here was totally disgusting. While his and my ideology are similar and have supported him in the past and will continue to do so on things like Iraq; this is OJ and Paris all over again. I'm so tired of a different brand of justice for the rich and/or famous.

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"As Independence Day nears, we're reminded that one of the principles our forefathers fought for was equal justice under the law. This commutation completely tramples on that principle," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said through a spokesman.
However, I would like to ask you all to read this comment from the pious Mr. Schumer here with his concerns over equal justice. Bill Clinton perjured himself over his gal pal Monica Lewinsky (and admitted on national television to doing so), yet never spent a day in jail as each and every one of us would have.

So as we're in the midst of our horrific outtrage, we shall in the spirit of equal justice, (as that is what we're concerned most about here right?) mention Slick Willy's escapades under oath in equally riteous anger, I'm sure.
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I think what bush did here was totally disgusting. While his and my ideology are similar and have supported him in the past and will continue to do so on things like Iraq; this is OJ and Paris all over again. I'm so tired of a different brand of justice for the rich and/or famous.



However, I would like to ask you all to read this comment from the pious Mr. Schumer here with his concerns over equal justice. Bill Clinton perjured himself over his gal pal Monica Lewinsky, yet never spent a day in jail as each and every one of us would have.

So as we're in the midst of our horrific outtrage, will shall in the spirit of equal justice, (as that is what we're concerned most about here right?) mention Slick Willy's escapades under oath, I'm sure.
equal justice is an issue here. but to me what is the most alarming is the lengths this administration will go to coverup their corrupt actions. like i said, this goes back to the iraq war. wilson wrote an article asking the administration to hold itself accountable. in response they outed his wife, and not only endangered the family's lives but threatened our national security.

i am (perhaps naively) hoping that the other branches of government will move forward in holding this administration accountable for their actions. this is a scandal of a grand magnitude.
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A reminder to everyone that Bill Clinton has nothing to do with this whatsoever.

A few reminders also:

1. This is a commute, not a pardon.

2. The main issue people have with this is the clear cover-up.

3. This is a commute, not a pardon.

4. It was described as "unprecedented" to commute someone before serving any jailtime.

5. Clinton has nothing to do with this.
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A reminder to everyone that Bill Clinton has nothing to do with this whatsoever.

A few reminders also:

1. This is a commute, not a pardon.

2. The main issue people have with this is the clear cover-up.

3. This is a commute, not a pardon.

4. It was described as "unprecedented" to commute someone before serving any jailtime.

5. Clinton has nothing to do with this.
you might wanna post that on every page for all our friends who like to jump in without reading the first page.
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Bush *63 pardons
Clinton *310 pardons.

But we know who is more corrupt, riiiiigt..
only in FYM.:eyeroll:

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*rough count
Please see http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/actions_administration.htm

Sure, if you look at just the raw numbers, of course Clinton granted more pardons.

However, if you look a bit deeper, and compare the volume of requests for pardons or clemency and the percentage of pardons granted (which is a far more accurate way to compare the presidents), Clinton and Bush aren’t all that far apart. Regan’s percentage is nearly double that of Clinton’s!

Ronald Regan
Petitions Received:
Pardon 2099
Clemency 1305
TOTAL 3404

Petitions Granted
Pardon 393
Clemency 13
Remission of Fine 0
TOTAL 406

Petitions Denied
Pardon 969
Clemency 318
TOTAL 1287

Petitions Closed Without Action
Pardon 612
Clemency 905
Total 1517

Percentage of Petitions Granted: 11.93%


George HW Bush
Petitions Received:
Pardon 731
Clemency 735
TOTAL 1466

Petitions Granted
Pardon 74
Clemency 3
Remission of Fine 0
TOTAL 77

Petitions Denied
Pardon 676
Clemency 429
TOTAL 1105

Petitions Closed Without Action
Pardon 220
Clemency 296
Total 516

Percentage of Petitions Granted: 5.25%


Bill Clinton
Petitions Received:
Pardon 2001
Clemency 5488
TOTAL 7489

Petitions Granted
Pardon 396
Clemency 61
Remission of Fine 2
TOTAL

Petitions Denied
Pardon 655
Clemency 2387
TOTAL 3042

Petitions Closed Without Action
Pardon 353
Clemency 1159
Total 1512

Percentage of Petitions Granted 6.13%
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^ It's interesting how quickly facts will shut threads like this up...
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So, two wrongs make a right?
My point exactly. All the pardons in the world by any former president doesn't make what Bush is doing right.
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you might wanna post that on every page for all our friends who like to jump in without reading the first page.
Arrogance. I quoted directly from the first page. Just because I don't want to slog through 18 pages of nonsense doesn't mean that I don't know what's going on.

The issue is equal justice. The fact that Bush helped out a lackey, that isn't the issue. That's been going on since probably the first day of the formation of the first government in the history of man kind.

The coverup isn't the issue either. That's been resolved via the trial and verdict.

The issue IS equal justice. This was a miscarriage of justice and it's damn maddening. I don't care at this point what Rove did, he was convicted of breaking the law and sentenced, and to get out of it, he should have to go through due process just like everyone else.

But you're all too tied up on the Daily Show and the Colbert Report to be the least bit objective about it. And the mere fact that you refuse to even acknowledge the fact that Clinton did the same if not worse just shows that you don't give a shit about the issue; you're just bitching about ideology. Bringing up Clinton turns the bulk of you into hypocrits and derails your hard on for Bush (ha). This is important stuff, and you're (general you're) giving it the same weight as the Rosie O'Donnel/Trump feud on the view. If you were all the least bit objective, and cared most about the true issue, which is equal justice, then you wouldn't be so fucking WORRIED about Clinton being brought up.
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Arrogance. I quoted directly from the first page. Just because I don't want to slog through 18 pages of nonsense doesn't mean that I don't know what's going on.

The issue is equal justice. The fact that Bush helped out a lackey, that isn't the issue. That's been going on since probably the first day of the formation of the first government in the history of man kind.

The coverup isn't the issue either. That's been resolved via the trial and verdict.

The issue IS equal justice. This was a miscarriage of justice and it's damn maddening. I don't care at this point what Rove did, he was convicted of breaking the law and sentenced, and to get out of it, he should have to go through due process just like everyone else.

But you're all too tied up on the Daily Show and the Colbert Report to be the least bit objective about it. And the mere fact that you refuse to even acknowledge the fact that Clinton did the same if not worse just shows that you don't give a shit about the issue; you're just bitching about ideology. Bringing up Clinton turns the bulk of you into hypocrits and derails your hard on for Bush (ha). This is important stuff, and you're (general you're) giving it the same weight as the Rosie O'Donnel/Trump feud on the view. If you were all the least bit objective, and cared most about the true issue, which is equal justice, then you wouldn't be so fucking WORRIED about Clinton being brought up.
Kaching.
Kaching.

Best post in the thread, altho we could lose the swearing.

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IMHO, an adult man who goes by the name of "Scooter" has serious issues, anyway. I'm just sayin' . . . .
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Just because I don't want to slog through 18 pages of nonsense doesn't mean that I don't know what's going on.

The coverup isn't the issue either. That's been resolved via the trial and verdict.


THE ISSUE IS THE COVER-UP.

Because of the commute, Scooter doesn't talk, so no one above him has to endure any penalty from the leak.
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