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Old 07-04-2007, 04:06 PM   #166
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??

The one is a political cover-up, the over one is an economical issue with no crime included.

Pardoning X, and commuting the sentence of Y is not the same, was not the same and never will be the same. Doesn't matter what figure you put before.
it is illegal to come to our country w/out a visa
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I'm too lazy to search through the pages of the thread...but did anyone catch Keith Olbermann's Special Comment last night? Very good.
is this the one? Listening to it now

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/070407Y.shtml


ETA: ^brilliant. And well said. The transcript of that speech is listed on that page below the You Tube link
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it is illegal to come to our country w/out a visa
Is that anywhere close to perjury and obstraction as a high-ranking state official in the case of exposure of a CIA agent?

You are comparing apples to oranges, just as diamond did before.
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Is that anywhere close to perjury and obstraction as a high-ranking state official in the case of exposure of a CIA agent?

You are comparing apples to oranges, just as diamond did before.
12,000,000>1
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it is illegal to come to our country w/out a visa
I can cross legally just fine without a visa.
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I can cross legally just fine without a visa.
its one thing to cross, its another to reside
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A jury found Libby guilty. He was sentenced, and served no time. The president chose to commute the sentence. As in he is above the law. Plain and simple. Leave the immigration topic out of this. Leave pardons out of this (though usually someone actually serves time before being pardoned, or so I thought). Leave other presidents out of this. Leave bipartisanship out of this.

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Where was it proven that Cheney ordered the leaking of Plame?
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12,000,000>1
Illegal immigration is and stays a whole other story.
You can't compare two cases that are so different and it doesn't matter how many people are involved.
You don't compare 12 million apples to one orange.


Oh, and thank you, I was about to forget how 12 million looks like. :roll:eyes
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why are we debating this? everyone knows what i am referring to. the illegal immigrants that have snuck across the border and are here w/out any papers. i am not debating that.

plus, let us not forget that libby is still being punished. he pretty much will serve his time outside of jail, losing his law license, having to pay a large sum, and what respectable company will ever hire him?
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Illegal immigration is and stays a whole other story.
You can't compare two cases that are so different and it doesn't matter how many people are involved.
You don't compare 12 million apples to one orange.
they are similar. all are getting off the hook
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they are similar. all are getting off the hook
As far as I was aware, the US congress rejected the Bill, so as of right now, who is getting off the hook, exactly?
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why are we debating this? everyone knows what i am referring to. the illegal immigrants that have snuck across the border and are here w/out any papers. i am not debating that.
Not the issue, start another thread if you want to discuss this.
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plus, let us not forget that libby is still being punished. he pretty much will serve his time outside of jail, losing his law license, having to pay a large sum, and what respectable company will ever hire him?
That wasn't his sentence, and not the point.
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that was his sentence. the judge ordered it.
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why are we debating this? everyone knows what i am referring to. the illegal immigrants that have snuck across the border and are here w/out any papers. i am not debating that.

plus, let us not forget that libby is still being punished. he pretty much will serve his time outside of jail, losing his law license, having to pay a large sum, and what respectable company will ever hire him?

You brought it up and now we are guilty of discussing illegal immigration?

But basically you are right, this is not the place to discuss it. It's not the same.
First, it's a law in the process of passing.
Second, crimes are not comparable. Every single crime is to be decided upon on its own.
And third, the intention behind pardoning the illegal immigrants and commuting Libby's sentence is totally different.
The damage done to your (e.g. the last bit of reputation) administration is different.

There is no connection to anything any other President did before, neither to what is being decided about any other crimes, laws to be decided or whatever.
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