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Old 01-05-2007, 03:18 PM   #46
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Well not exactly. The beauty of liberalism, is it's always been defined in a way that it can evolve.
Evolve! What does it say about your principles and dogma if you admit they are in constant flux?

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God and morality being exclusive to liberalism is a lie you've been sold by your neo-con buddies
You lost me here, is exclusive the word you wanted?
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:47 PM   #47
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Evolve! What does it say about your principles and dogma if you admit they are in constant flux?
If you kept your ancestors views and principles about slavery, women's rights, or race where would you be? It's the reason our constitution has the ability to be ammended, our forefathers weren't arrogant enough to think they had it right the first time.


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You lost me here, is exclusive the word you wanted?
I meant that liberalism and God have to be contradicting; it's a lie.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:55 PM   #48
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I meant that liberalism and God have to be contradicting; it's a lie.
Clearly some on the Left are attempting to drive God out of the public square. Which is not the liberalism of JFK.

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If you kept your ancestors views and principles about slavery, women's rights, or race where would you be? It's the reason our constitution has the ability to be ammended, our forefathers weren't arrogant enough to think they had it right the first time.
Righting wrongs is commendable. Replacing good ideas with better ones in a move towards an ideal (using your example; "that all men are created equal") I'd call progress more than evolution.

But I fear modern liberalism doesn't so much evolve as it does float. Floats to wherever the moral current of the day takes it because it rejects absolutes and overarching truths in favor of pragmatism and utopianism.

Anyway, I'll get in trouble for derailing the thread if we continue so I'll give you the last post.
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Anyway, I'll get in trouble for derailing the thread if we continue so I'll give you the last post.
It would be a great discussion for another thread...
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Presidential vetos;

FDR -- 635
Truman -- 250
Eisenhower -- 181
Kennedy -- 21
Johnson -- 30
Nixon -- 43
Ford -- 66
Carter -- 31
Reagan -- 78
Bush I -- 44
Clinton -- 37
Bush II -- 1

Maybe the Huffington Post is exaggerating a wee bit when it says Bush is "arrogating" power for himself or "jamming" things down Congress's throat.
What was Bush going to veto when he had a rubber stamp Republican Congress the entire time he was President?? Well, until yesterday.

Hardly a situation comparable to Clinton post-94.
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What was Bush going to veto when he had a rubber stamp Republican Congress the entire time he was President?? Well, until yesterday.

Hardly a situation comparable to Clinton post-94.
Yes, it's these obvious oversights by the right that crack me up...
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