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Old 01-04-2007, 03:36 PM   #16
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"The government can now read your first-class mail. No court order required; no pesky warrants needed.
I'm not sure this is anything 'new'......

"White House spokeswoman Emily Lawrimore said today that the signing statement was meant merely "to clarify that he already has the authority" to open mail in certain emergencies.

"The president is not claiming any 'new authority,'" the White House said in a new statement. "The signing statement merely recognizes a legal proposition that is totally uncontroversial: that in certain circumstances — such as with the proverbial 'ticking bomb' — the Constitution does not require warrants for reasonable searches."

The Dec. 20 signing statement said the president had the power to check mail "in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances, such as to protect human life and safety against hazardous materials, and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection."

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I often think the same myself, that I wouldn't really care b/c I have nothing to hide, BUT this is a dangerous, dangerous, dangerous precedent to set and is clearly unconstitutional. For those reasons, I think it's ridiculous.
I agree, it is ridiculous. But is it really unconstitutional though?
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I would say it was. Mail is protected. I don't care if it's the government or neighbor, no one has a right to go through mail.
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I agree, it is ridiculous. But is it really unconstitutional though?
I guess in the sense that opening someone else's mail is a federal offense. Maybe not exactly unconstitutional, but clearly criminal.
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I guess in the sense that opening someone else's mail is a federal offense. Maybe not exactly unconstitutional, but clearly criminal.
I think we should be able to open his mail.
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Aha! That explains where my "Hoodwinked" is. Or would that be too advanced for the President?
Maybe "Ernest Goes to Camp" or something like that.
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I think we should be able to open his mail.
Exactly. The precedent bothers me. Who gets to open mail, and why? Who gets to make these decisions and why? Etc....

It opens doors to even more drastic invasions of privacy and abuses of power.
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He, we had the same in Germany.
Two times, in the Third Reich and in the GDR.

It worked out pretty well! Many people got a job, and people started to look after their wording a bit more.
And someitimes you could look through the letter, so you wouldn't miss anything happening while readening.


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Everyone in the US should forward their junk mail to the White House. You want it? Here you go.
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Who gets to open mail, and why? Who gets to make these decisions and why? Etc....

It opens doors to even more drastic invasions of privacy and abuses of power.
Does anyone believe there is never a reason to intercept mail? Just asking.

"The Dec. 20 signing statement said the president had the power to check mail "in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances, such as to protect human life and safety against hazardous materials, and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection."

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As long as exigent circumstances aren't the same as WMD's in Iraq, I suppose it's ok..

Once you start eroding privacy in certain ways, where does it end?

I don't think it's at all unreasonable, given what has already happened, to be unable to trust this administration and to be fearful and skeptical.
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They can open my bills too.

And pay them also!
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Old 01-04-2007, 07:55 PM   #28
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Does anyone believe there is never a reason to intercept mail? Just asking.

"The Dec. 20 signing statement said the president had the power to check mail "in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances, such as to protect human life and safety against hazardous materials, and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection."

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I don't see a reason for it. Shouldn't we be allowed some sort of privacy? It's already bad enough I can't ship alcohol.

Besides, the whole "mnner consistent..." thing sounds very vague to me. They created their own vague jurisdictions so that pretty much means they are free to look at whatever they want whoever they want.

I'm surprised he didn't gloss it over with his nationalistic brainwashing propaganda and call it something similar to the title Patriot Act.
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I generally don't like "slippery slope" arguments, but this slope is slippery as hell. What's next?

Incidentally I don't think this is anything new. In college I wrote to several left-wing political organizations (I know Spartacist was one, and CPUSA too I think, but anyway), and when I got stuff back it had invariably been opened. My buddy used to give me crap, about big brother watching me, and I'd ask where he (big brother) was so I could flip him off...but seriously, I wondered what was up.

You'd think he (Bush) would be hesitant to broadcast this. Is he brazen enough to think no one will care? Sad thing is, he probably is that brazen, and many probably won't care.
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Bush eavesdrops on our calls
Bush rigs elections in Ohio
Bush blows up dykes surrounding New Orleans
Bush grabs U.S. citizens off the street and holds them indefinitely

And now he reads our mail as well?

Where does he find the time?
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