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Old 06-24-2005, 07:20 AM   #31
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"Seemingly went on". Can't misinterpret that.

And even if it did happen, it was by a small group of soldiers, and was not endorsed, commanded, or condoned by the Bush Admin.

The forced abortions and executions of Christians and Diisidents was the Chinese governement.

There's a world of difference between atrocities committed by a group of soldiers and attrocities committed by a government.


you don't think that widening the "definiton" of torture via the Gonzales memos and an intentionally loose command structure enabled -- possibly intentionally -- conditions that lead to Abu Ghraib?

i fault the Bush administration, and especially Rumsfeld.

shit runs from the top down.
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Italy Judge Orders Arrest of 13 CIA Agents

By AIDAN LEWIS, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 40 minutes ago

An Italian judge has ordered the arrest of 13 CIA agents for allegedly helping deport an imam to Egypt as part of U.S. anti-terrorism efforts, an Italian official familiar with the investigation said Friday.

The agents are suspected in the seizure of an Egyptian-born imam identified as Abu Omar on the streets of Milan in February 2003, according to the official, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

The U.S. Embassy in Rome declined to comment.

Prosecutors believe the agents seized Omar as part of the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program, in which terror suspects are transferred to third countries without court approval, according to reports Friday in newspapers Corriere della Sera and Il Giorno.

Investigators traced the agents through check-in details at Milan hotels and their use of Italian cell phones during the operation, the reports said. All the agents are American and include three women, Il Giorno said.

The reports said another six agents were being investigated for helping prepare the operation.

They said police also received an eyewitness account from an Egyptian woman who heard Omar calling for help and saw him being bundled into a white van as he walked from his house to a mosque.

The report said Omar was taken to Aviano, a joint U.S.-Italian base north of Venice, and was flown from there to another U.S. air base in Ramstein, Germany, before being taken in a second jet to Cairo.

A judge also has issued a separate arrest warrant for Omar, news agencies ANSA and Apcom said. In that warrant, Judge Guido Salvini claimed the seizure of Omar represented a violation of Italian sovereignty, Apcom reported.

Earlier this month, Milan prosecutor Armando Spataro told The Associated Press that the prosecution was treating the disappearance of Omar as an abduction.

Spataro declined to say who was suspected for the alleged abduction, but he said Omar's disappearance damaged an ongoing operation by Italian authorities. He said he visited the air base in February.

Omar was believed to have fought with jihadists in Afghanistan and Bosnia, and prosecutors were seeking evidence against him before his disappearance, according to a report last year in La Repubblica newspaper, which cited intelligence officials.

Italian papers have reported that Omar, 42, called his wife and friends in Milan after his release last year, recounting he had been seized by Italian and American agents and taken to a secret prison in Egypt, where he was tortured with electric shocks.

Italian officials believe he now is living in Egypt, although Italian newspaper accounts suggested he was return
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A specific note to financeguy in regards to his comments on Abu Ghraib, can you present evidence of child rape and murders of women, I have not encountered anything about this except for the pictures of soldiers raping women which hit some papers before it was realised that they were from a porno site and not actually US soldiers or Iraqi women. Please cite an article, a post on a message board or something to backup these very serious claims.
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A specific note to financeguy in regards to his comments on Abu Ghraib, can you present evidence of child rape and murders of women, I have not encountered anything about this except for the pictures of soldiers raping women which hit some papers before it was realised that they were from a porno site and not actually US soldiers or Iraqi women. Please cite an article, a post on a message board or something to backup these very serious claims.
Additional photos are apparently being released to the ACLU June 30th according to various threads on this forum: -

www.democraticunderground.com

I have not seen the photos and do not wish to, however allegedly various congressmen and Seymour Hirsch have. If it is true that photos include child rape then it would presumably be illegal to release some of the photos.
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I heard that too finance guy, not about child rape but that more pictures from Abu Ghraib will be released very soon.
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With US-China comparison, I guess many people rate a country based on its international activity (or the worst aspects of its international activity) and the way it affects their own country. Rather than based on the way US and China treat their own respective citizens.
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If it is true that photos include child rape then it would presumably be illegal to release some of the photos.
My heart would crack if this is true.
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