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Old 02-17-2003, 02:19 AM   #1
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bush AND co. WONT TOLERATE TREACHERY FROM GERMANY, FRANCE

i know this was mentioned before, but i dont remember reading any specific article on it. if this was already posted, i apologize for the repetition.

"your either with us or against us"

im tired of bashing bush and his cronies, words dont do justice. im scared because im becoming a fanatical anti-bush typa guy, which is a shame cause i dont hate anyone. but there is noone on earth i have less respect for.

north america, enjoy the article and enjoy more enemies.

US to punish German 'treachery'

Peter Beaumont, David Roseand Paul Beaver
Sunday February 16, 2003
The Observer

America is to punish Germany for leading international opposition to a war against Iraq. The US will withdraw all its troops and bases from there and end military and industrial co-operation between the two countries - moves that could cost the Germans billions of euros.
The plan - discussed by Pentagon officials and military chiefs last week on the orders of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - is designed 'to harm' the German economy to make an example of the country for what US hawks see as Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's 'treachery'.

The hawks believe that making an example of Germany will force other countries heavily dependent on US trade to think twice about standing up to America in future.

This follows weeks of increasingly angry exchanges between Rumsfeld and Germany, in which at one point he taunted Germany and France for being an irrelevant part of 'old Europe'.

Now Rumsfeld has decided to go further by unilaterally imposing the Pentagon's sanctions on a country already in the throes of economic problems.

'We are doing this for one reason only: to harm the German economy,' one source told The Observer last week.

'Our troops contribute many millions of dollars. Why should we continue to support a country which has treated Nato and the protection we provided for decades with such incredible contempt?'

Another Pentagon source said: 'The aim is to hit German trade and commerce. It is not just about taking out the troops and equipment; it is also about cancelling commercial contracts and defence-related arrangements.'

The Pentagon plan - and the language expressed by officials close to Rumsfeld - has horrified State Department officials, who believe that bullying other countries to follow the US line will further exacerbate anti-Americanism and alienate those European countries that might support a United Nations resolution authorising a war.

German industry earns billions of euros every year from supporting the US Army Europe which, although reduced from its Cold War heights, still totals 42,000 troops and 785 tanks - almost three times as many as the British Army owns. Many of these soldiers and their fighting equipment, including Apache helicopters, have already been sent to the Gulf.

German industry is heavily involved in supporting the US presence. Among the defence companies which stand to lose out are missile-maker Diehl, aerospace and defence giant EADS Deutschland, armaments maker Rheinmetall and vehicle maker Krauss-Maffei Wegmann.

There is also a US Air Force contingent of about 15,000 service people with bases at Bitburg, Frankfurt-am-Main and neighbouring Ramstein, where the commander doubles as part of the Nato command. This force includes nearly 60 F-16 fighter-bombers and a squadron of A-10 tank-buster aircraft.

Rumsfeld and his staff have made no attempt to hide their fury at Schröder's 'treachery and ineptitude' over Iraq. Last week Schröder leaked to reporters a Franco-German plan for avoiding war by increasing the number of UN weapons inspectors before informing his American counterparts.

'After this, Germany is finished as a serious power,' one of the sources added. 'This is simply not the way to conduct diplomacy at a moment of international crisis.' One diplomatic source said Rumsfeld was 'furious at Germany. He is a bruiser and it looks as though he means to do it'.

Under these plans, the US would move its troops in Europe eastwards to countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states, all of which have strongly supported America's line against Saddam Hussein. It is likely that the overall size of the deployment would be reduced, as the US military changes its priorities for a long-term and disparate engagement with international terrorism.

Although Rumsfeld had already been considering a redeployment of US troops around the world after a war in Iraq to save money and respond to new threats, the plans now under consideration go far beyond what had been discussed.

It is likely that future years will see a sharp increase in the proportion of special forces troops able to deploy rapidly across the globe.

Germany would suffer considerable financial loss if US forces were withdrawn from the country. The bases provide jobs for local people as everything from administrators to cleaners, and are huge customers for dairy products and bread.
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Re: bush AND co. WONT TOLERATE TREACHERY FROM GERMANY, FRANCE

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i dont hate anyone. but there is noone on earth i have less respect for.
even tie domi and esa tikkannen?
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i think theyre cancelling the Iraq war.
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dammit, i forgot about those guys.

tie is somewhat ok, but esa and especially petr klima had the WORST helmets in history.

i dont like darcy tucker anymore. he deserves to get gang banged and i dont mean that in a sexual way, old boy.
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i'm sick of everyone being anti-america

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so you're posting about something that was proposed as a plan and discussed among military officials? if an article was written about everything the U.S Congress proposed discussing, or Canadian Parliament proposed discussing for that matter, either could look as absurd.
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i think theyre cancelling the Iraq war.
what makes you think that?
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george clooney is smart, you know he's a doctor afterall

i take it you're more of a brad marsh kinda guy?
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see my thread where u called me a "tool."

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For the past 4 years, the US military had already been considering moving troops and training into Poland. It would definitely cost less to station US troops in Poland and the Polish economy would get a nice boost as well. Not mentioned in the article is the fact that there are many Germans that would like to see the USA leave for different reasons. Of course there are Germans who would definitely prefer to have the US military stay as mentioned in the article. At the end of the day, the US military will do whats in its best interest training and budget wise, so it looks like relocation from Germany to Poland in the future is very possible, even without the current political drama.
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Re: i'm sick of everyone being anti-america

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so you're posting about something that was proposed as a plan and discussed among military officials? if an article was written about everything the U.S Congress proposed discussing, or Canadian Parliament proposed discussing for that matter, either could look as absurd.
right, i forgot to consult the united nations propaganda minister regarding what is acceptable to post and whats not.

ill be more careful next time, lilly.



i could be far more colourful in my opinions, but i chose to be as bland as possible to prevent the masses from calling for my head.
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For the past 4 years, the US military had already been considering moving troops and training into Poland. It would definitely cost less to station US troops in Poland and the Polish economy would get a nice boost as well. Not mentioned in the article is the fact that there are many Germans that would like to see the USA leave for different reasons. Of course there are Germans who would definitely prefer to have the US military stay as mentioned in the article. At the end of the day, the US military will do whats in its best interest training and budget wise, so it looks like relocation from Germany to Poland in the future is very possible, even without the current political drama.
so then this is all just a matter of coincidence?
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george clooney is smart, you know he's a doctor afterall

i take it you're more of a brad marsh kinda guy?
actually rod langway or peter sidorkawich are more parallel to my tastes.

though i must admit, i see myself dangling joe mullen and kjell samuellson sandwiches in front of my eye now and then.
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i told u..
theyre cancelling the war effort.
just watch.

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i still get weak in the knees at the thought of a basil mcrae wrister

i just dropped a nacho on the lettereeeeeeeeeeeee4eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee4

got it off, like a basil mcrae wrister, if you know what eye mean
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"so then this is all just a matter of coincidence?"

A convenient coincidence depending on who you are maybe. Groups of people on both sides of the debate may play it for as much drama as they can, regardless of the fact that the USA was already considering a move years ago.
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