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Old 12-20-2005, 04:33 PM   #106
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I'm already intrigued by your posts to see it when comes across Europe.And can't wait reactions! The only thing that bothers me is that people might will tend to get hooked with its thematic rather than with its artistic merit.And the latter is the only thing I'm interested in a film. There is absolutely nothing about any particular film that can shock me if its outcome conveys an universal message. I think it's not worth mentioning that I watch everything from blockbusters to alternative films and documentaries. What I simply cannot understand is why are some afraid that films like this can influence people to reconsider their sexual orientation;nonsense..............As heterosexual female I can say that sometimes homosexual lovemaking has greater emotional impact on me than some stereotypical heterosexual scenes not being well incorporated in a film..........and unable to create the expected empathy.Exactly is the same with my boyfriend.....................PS Some may consider me some Euro-decadent but if Brokeback Mountain sent my boyfriend and me right to bed after seeing it I'd consider it great without previously sorted out the complete picture in my head;which I'll certainly do after lovemaking.
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PS Some may consider me some Euro-decadent but if Brokeback Mountain sent my boyfriend and me right to bed after seeing it I'd consider it great without previously sorted out the complete picture in my head;which I'll certainly do after lovemaking.


i don't consider you Euro-decadant at all -- i had the same thought, that it would inspire something really hot apres-film sex. but what was so amazing about the film was that it simultaneously left me emotionally devastated (and in no condition to respond to anyone sexually) yet fully affirmed in the power and necessity and worth of human love.

it was a night to just lie there, with each other, and let the silence say everything.



(though it was a monday night and i didn't get home until almost 1am so he just dropped me off in front of my house and went home
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Old 12-20-2005, 05:16 PM   #108
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i don't consider you Euro-decadant at all -- i had the same thought, that it would inspire something really hot apres-film sex. but what was so amazing about the film was that it simultaneously left me emotionally devastated (and in no condition to respond to anyone sexually) yet fully affirmed in the power and necessity and worth of human love.

it was a night to just lie there, with each other, and let the silence say everything.



(though it was a monday night and i didn't get home until almost 1am so he just dropped me off in front of my house and went home
Well,if so,the reason more to see the film..................I really like how you put it......................
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I can't wait to watch the movie - it only starts opening here in London on the 30th. Will definitely see it then.

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I can't wait to watch the movie - it only starts opening here in London on the 30th. Will definitely see it then.

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Oh,that's great..............
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Very much looking forward to this one.

For Australians - opens here Jan 26.
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It should have some harsh competition this upcoming Oscar season
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Incident at Amity: Steven Spielberg directs this cerebral remake of Jaws slated for summer release. Insiders say the 31-year update will feature "additional points of view" and "be less judgmental to sharks." Starring Willam H. Macy as the anti-shark fundamentalist, and Tom Hanks as the Great White.

Silenced Wood: George Clooney stars and directs in this drama about the climate of fear among ventriloquists during radio's notorious Charlie McCarthy era.

Hershey Highway: Based on the Tony Kushner play, a candy factory worker (Phillip Sousa Huffnagel) and Amish teen (Joaquin Seymour Gyllenhall) find forbidden pleasure in this poignant love tale set against the gritty backdrop of Pennsylvania's chocolate belt.

Me Billy: Based on the inspirational true story of a learning disabled man (Sean Penn) who rescues New Orleans from racist flood with a magical red cup.

Baby Doc: Jamie Foxx stars in this biopic about Haitian civil rights activist wrongly accused of despotism by LA police.

Reservoir Puppies: Director Quentin Tarantino teams with Pixar in this animated children's holiday tale about six lost whelps and a botched burglary. Starring the voices of Steve Buscemi, Harvey Keitel, and Mike Meyers as Mister Pinky.

Zaftig Pi: The Eigenvectress. Plus-size video game superheroine comes to life, as Oscar winner Kathy Bates battles Christian fundamentalist aliens with kung fu cartwheels.

The Vespa Diaries: Romantic revolutionary scooterist Pol Pot (Lysol Phoenix) and US intellectual Noam Chomsky (Matt Affleck) find gay rainforest love in this Cambodian remake of 'Roman Holiday' that had Sundance audiences cheering.

Fearful Silence: Courageous What's My Line? contestant (Leonardo DiCaprio) refuses to answer panelist questions in this gameshow drama set against the McCarthy-blacklist era. With William H. Macy as Bennett Cerf and Kevin Spacey as Kitty Carlisle.

Angel Soft This: In a shocking and sometimes humorous indictment of the toilet paper industry, filmmaker Morgan Spurlock documents the ravages he suffers after 30 straight days of non-stop buttwiping.

Mugabe: Will Smith stars in this biopic about Zimbawean civil rights activist wrongly accused of mass starvation program by LA police.

Lunch Lady: poignant story of school cook-turned-playground strangler has generated advanced Oscar buzz for star Jennifer Lopez, who reportedly gained 400 pounds, facial tatoos and gum disease for the role

Fearful Deadly Fear: Blacklisted 1950's screenwriter Damon Runyan (Tim Robbins) writes a secret screenplay about the the McCarthy-era blacklists, in this 1950's blacklist drama set against the background of the McCarthy era blacklists.

Cold Humpcrack Creekwater: Two retarded Gay cowgirl sisters (Rene Zellweger, Jenna Jameson) defy a fundamentalist sherriff (Hovercraft Phoenix) and discover love in this 1930's period piece set in the Appalachian outback of Nebraskansaw.

Redemption: the Idi Amin Story: Gary Coleman stars in this biopic about Ugandan civil rights activist wrongly accused of cannibalism by LA police.

Snow Fuji Mountain: Mothra (Toby Damon) and Gamera (Orlando Law) discover forbidden love while destroying Tokyo, in this story of nuclear-triggered sexual awakening.

The Girl is Fabulous: Totally straight New Yorker Ted (Tom Cruise) falls head over heels in hetero love with Marcy (Katie Holmes) in this completely ungay romantic comedy set against the backdrop of New York's glamorous West Village.

Silence 1984: Documentary filmmaker Errol Morris interviews the survivors of Hollywood's notorious Reagan era 'Year of Fear,' when only three McCarthy-themed movies were released.
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^ On a similar note, a few years ago Martin Amis wrote a fairly amusing short story about an alternate universe where homosexuality was the norm and the 'straight' world was a sidelined counter-culture.
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i don't want to give anything away, as some of the film does turn on some surprises, but it's not like there's a twist ending. there's so much space and silence in the movie, the first 30 minutes are a bit odd, a bit slow, lots of silence, and the rapturous Wyoming/Canadian Rockies scenery. yes, there is a sex scene, but it's probably about as tasteful as one could imagine without sacraficing lust, and the other love scenes are about intimacy, not lust.




i agree that the first 30 minutes took its time

i guess you might call it 'background' to establish the characters, time and setting

slingblade, began slow also

and heath, snorts and mumbles abit too



of the two characters, jack is more of a risk taker, wants more out of life than the pieces that some might settle for,

one wonders if the heath character would have ever acted on his same sex attraction if he had not met jack


one could say there is a (jack) twist ending


the film is on most top 10 lists

and it belongs there
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Ok so late on the bandwagon, but Brokeback Mountain isn't playing anywhere within 200 miles of around here. I had to drive to Atlanta today for a funeral and so I stopped on the way home to see this movie. I was already pretty emotional but I have only one word to say: heartwrenching.

I debated between heartbreaking and heartwrenching but decided that this is truly a story of real things. Real people, real moments, real love and real friendship. So at first it was more heartbreaking, but as I thought it over on the three hour drive back home, I decided that the better word is heartwrenching. The story could break your heart [if you are looking for the happily ever after] but I actually feel like it did such a poignant job of telling a real story of love and the beauty it added to these men's lives that it doesn't do it justice to say it simply breaks your heart. The end could leave you saddened for the enormity of the losses suffered, but upon reflection I think it makes Ennis a better person to have really felt this relationship in all its glory and heartache from beginning to end.

There are a few moments in that movie that just hung in the air with the power of emotion. Moments I can still hold in my mind and look at hours later. Too bad it is playing so far away. I think I might want to see this one again on the bigscreen.

A must see movie - the cinematography, the script, the acting and the way it stays with you and sinks into your heart and mind.
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i agree.

can you think of an example where you thought a reasonably graphic sex scene was artistically appropriate?
I can.

In "Leaving Las Vegas", Elisabeth Shue's character is ultimately raped by her "clients" (she plays a prostitute). She has a series of clients and as a result, sex is part of her life. To not show ANY sex in this film would make the movie analogous to "Pretty Woman" - something that's cute and cuddly and all fun, but not based on reality in any fashion. Even though she's a prostitute, Shue's character has her limits and that rape scene was a very powerful scene in the film.

Another exampe, IMO, is in "Fatal Attraction". There's a quick scene when Michael Douglas' character is having intercourse with Glenn Close's character. The scene works in the movie, because it shows the passion, lust and powerful sexual connection those two characters have. This gives a basis for why Close's character ultimately stalks and then threatens the lives of Douglas's character's family. Without that brief yet powerful scene, her actions might seem odd. So they had a one night stand - what's the big deal? But by seeing it, one realizes why she becomes so attached and why she refuses to let go.

But I have to ask, when people think of "graphic sex" in a movies, what exactly do you mean? This isn't pornography - there are no close-ups of genetalia (for better or worse). Usually, it's just the motion of sex and is on screen for a few token seconds.

Another person wrote how the "vast majority" of Hollywood films have sex. IMO, that says more about the person's choice of movies than it does about Hollywood, because I've seen tons of films without any sex. Even a token look at this year's big blockbuster films proves this. No sex in "Star Wars" or "Harry Potter" or "King Kong" or "Batman Forever" or "Chronicles of Narnia" or "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" or "War of the Worlds". There are all sorts of movies - something like "Wedding Crashers" or "40-Year Old Virgin" or "Brokeback Mountain" will have sex scenes. If that's such a horrible turn-off for someone, then there are tons of films that don't have sex. It seems odd to chastise Hollywood for portaying something that is a huge part of most people's lives.
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Nice post, doctorwho. May I add that the love scene in Don't Look Now (Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie) gives the film definition; without that one scene we would not understand their grief upon losing a child and their relationship.

There was a poll conducted with two groups of people; those who watched The Accused (Jodie Foster) with the graphic rape scene and those who did not. Most of the ones who did not see the rape scene agreed that Foster's character was "asking for it".

What do you think of Ireversible, though? That was a waste of time for me.

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i was concerned w the gay on gay violence i witnessed in the trailer.
the cowboys were having a quarrel that erupted in fist da cuffs.
i witnessesed this in the trailer.

there is too much violence in movies and gay on gay violence is an under reported crime.

and please don't tell me that cowboys will be cowboys or i will have to report
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thank u

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I haven't seen the movie diamond but I don't think the "violence" has anything to do with "gay on gay violence" and I don't quite know what you mean by that-as far as I know the vast majority of violence perpetrated against gay people is by straight people.

From what I've read about the movie, any "violence" might have to do with both of them being in some sort of denial about their attraction for each other, thus it is integral to the story and not violence just for the sake of it. Someone who has seen it can explain it much better than I can.
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