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Old 12-05-2005, 06:12 PM   #46
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"Jake Gyllenhaal dished to December’s issue of Entertainment Weekly that he was “super uncomfortable” while filming sex scenes with co-star Heath Ledger for the upcoming gay cowboy flick, “Brokeback Mountain.”
Wait, Jake Gyllenhaal is straight? Seriously?

The two gay grad students down the hall lied to me?
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Wait, Jake Gyllenhaal is straight? Seriously?

The two gay grad students down the hall lied to me?


well, my sources tell me that he was going to use the movie as a way of coming out as bisexual.

i mean this seriously.

apparently, he decided not to do that. he's having a big year, putting himself in position (heh-heh) to be a pretty big deal young actor. he's got the acting chops and he's *gorgeous* and i'm told he's got a body in Jarhead.

he and his agent probably decided that there was too much at stake to risk a negative reaction if he did come out as bisexual (which might be risky too ... then you risk getting the gays mad at you, going back to the whole "gay, straight, or lying" train of thought and that bisexual men are really just gay men who don't want to deal with the gay label).
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I've never understood why people get so upset over bisexuals. Of course, I've never understood why people get so upset over true asexuals either.

I guess it goes to show that humanity prefers everything cut and dry.

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I find it interesting that he uses the word homophobia

"Jake Gyllenhaal dished to December’s issue of Entertainment Weekly that he was “super uncomfortable” while filming sex scenes with co-star Heath Ledger for the upcoming gay cowboy flick, “Brokeback Mountain.” The 24-year-old actor said letting go of “that bit of homophobia” in order to “try for a second to be vulnerable and sensitive” was “(bleepin’) hard, man.” In the end, though, he was able to succeed, if only for “milliseconds.”
Having come across quite a few comments from him in interviews over time, I can think of few actors who make such a genuine attempt to be gay friendly. I tend to think he'd see his brief moment of homophobia to be a character flaw to be overcome, rather than something to be proud of.

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I didn't mean to imply he was proud of it at all, I think they both have said they were quite uncomfortable-maybe the question is, does that make one "homophobic" to feel that way, or is it merely being uncomfortable doing something on film that you never have, or never have in your private life (assuming of course )

He seems like a fairly nice, honest guy to me..and I have never heard him say anything that could be construed as "anti-gay" or homophobic.
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sorry about the caps, that's the web site

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America's leading gay and lesbian organisation has given ANG LEE's controversial new movie BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN a boost by calling the movie "the most poignant love story".

Officials at the Gay + Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) are endorsing the film, which features love scenes between straight actors JAKE GYLLENHAAL and HEATH LEDGER, who play gay cowboys.

And they go so far as the hail the release of the film later this month (DEC05) as "a historic moment in film history".

GLAAD president NEIL GIULIANO says, "This film has tremendous potential to connect with audiences gay and straight alike. People will relate to these characters and to the emotional authenticity of their story.

"What Brokeback Mountain does is allow audiences to experience, on an intensely emotional level, how ignorance and intolerance can force people to deny their love and deny who they are."

GLAAD bosses are providing a resource kit for critics featuring information on real-life gay cowboys and the rural gay experience.
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[q]The straight dude’s guide to ‘Brokeback’
Our intrepid gay columnist has sage advice for his straight brethren

COMMENTARY
By Dave White
MSNBC contributor
Updated: 7:26 p.m. ET Dec. 8, 2005


You are a heterosexual man. And you have no personal beef with gay people. You’re educated and fairly socially liberal and occasionally listen to NPR and you don’t like to see anyone bashed or discriminated against. You’re no homophobe. You’re proud of yourself.

But your girlfriend/wife/common-law/female or whoever loves that adorable Jake Gyllenhaal has already stated her intentions. When it’s her turn to pick the Saturday night date-movie, you’re seeing “Brokeback Mountain.”

“But I am a heterosexual man,” you’re thinking, “very, very, very, very straight.” And you’re kind of freaking out as the release date quickly approaches — and even the expression “release date” is making you kind of jittery. You’re hoping to remind your female life partner that, while you feel gay people are very wonderful, colorful, witty additions to the human population and that Ellen sure is fun to watch dance in the credit card commercial and that Tom Hanks really deserved that Academy Award for whatever that movie was where he died at the end, that you are very, very, very, very straight and that it should exempt you from seeing Adorable Jake…um… do “it” with Heath Ledger. You really don’t even want to know what “it” entails because you’ve lived this long without finding out. You’re thinking the words “red-blooded,” as in “I am a red-blooded American male, etc,” don’t sound so retro anymore.

And yet, you’re still going to see it whether you like it or not. This necessarily presents a dilemma: how to make her happy and endure your first gay-themed movie where guys actually make out on a very big screen right in front of your face? And that’s where I come in. I’m a red-blooded American male homosexual movie critic who’s already seen “Brokeback Mountain.” And I could just tell you how great the film is, that it’s really powerful and moving and all that, but that isn’t what you want to hear. So I have some viewing tips for you, my straight brothers. I promise I’m only here to help…

1. Accept the fact that this is all your fault in the first place
You were the one who was all excited to take your ladyfriend to “Jarhead” anyway and when you got there and saw that it consisted of lot of AJ (how this article will refer to Adorable Jake from here on) running around all sweaty, muscular and shirtless in the desert, doing a sexy dance wearing nothing but a Santa Claus cap over his “area” and then simulating a big gay orgy with his fellow grunts, you were like, “When does the killing start in this movie?” while your woman thought, “Oh yes, more Santa Dancing please.” You brought it on yourself.


2. Realize now that you have to shut up
You kind of have no idea how important it is for you to shut up. But it’s crucial. I was recently at a press screening for another movie and I overheard four guys in the theater lobby talking about “Brokeback.” They were resolute in their refusal to go see it and they couldn’t stop loudly one-upping each other about how they had no interest, were not “curious,” and were, in the words of the loudest guy in the group, “straight as that wall over there.” Oh, the wall with poster for the Big Gay Cowboy Movie on it? That straight wall? Well here’s something that everyone else now knows but that guy: he’s probably gay. Being silent marks you as too cool to care about how other men see you. It means you’re comfortable and not freaked by your own naked shadow. Did Steve McQueen go around squawking about how straight-as-a-wall he was? No, he didn’t. He was too busy being stoic and manly.

3. The good news — there’s less than one minute of making out
It’s about 130 minutes long and 129 of them are about Men Not Having Sex. So yes, maybe it will be the longest almost-60 seconds of your life, but there it is. Less than one minute. In fact, it’s 129 minutes of really intense longing and sadness and unabashedly weepy, doomed love story. In a very real way that’s a lot more porny than any of the man-on-man canoodling that made it past the editing room. But if you’re going to be a big sissy about it then you can go get her that Diet Coke and jumbo popcorn during the first major sex scene. And no plugging your ears and singing “Mary Had a Little Lamb,” either. All singing is inherently gay, is why. Plus you’ll be in a movie theater and some big bruiser gay guy might kick your butt. Then you’ll feel even more emasculated.


4. Remember that it’s a western
And the script was adapted by none other than Total Dude Larry McMurtry. That guy is the coolest western writer in the country. He wrote “Lonesome Dove.” You love “Lonesome Dove.” In fact, the only problem with remembering that it’s a western is having to ignore the fact that most westerns are about 1000 percent gay. If you think I’m making that up, just go watch “Red River” again.

5. They’re tortured and you get to feel sorry for them
Just like in that Tom Hanks movie, these gay guys get kicked around a lot. It’s set in the 1960s and the characters played by Heath and AJ don’t even know they’re gay. They think they’re just regular straight guys who suddenly find themselves all turned on by each other and, honestly, don’t even really understand why they’re awash in yucky, hypnotic love feelings. Actually wait… you know what? Don’t think about that too much. Better if you just forget about the “why” of it all and start rooting for these underdogs. Pretend they’re like Sean Astin in “Rudy.”

6. Anne Hathaway, who plays AJ’s wife, gets topless. The End
I think it’s fair to report this and here’s why: as a gay man, the only reason I even agreed to sit through the really stupid remake of “The Longest Yard” was because one of my friends told me you get to see the wrestler Goldberg in the shower. In one scene. That’s it. I sat through the whole thing for one scene. In that respect, my hetero pals, we are all brothers deep inside — it’s just a different brand of naked flesh that ignites our prurience.

7. And finally, it’s just your turn
Really, it is, and you know it. Imagine how many thousands of hetero love stories gay people sit through in their lives. So you kind of owe us. Now get out there and watch those cowboys make out.

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Brilliant. They should have copies of this available in all theaters showing it.

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And no plugging your ears and singing “Mary Had a Little Lamb,” either. All singing is inherently gay, is why. Plus you’ll be in a movie theater and some big bruiser gay guy might kick your butt. Then you’ll feel even more emasculated.

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But your girlfriend/wife/common-law/female or whoever loves that adorable Jake Gyllenhaal
Yes, there's a reason why slash fiction is all over so many fansites devoted to male actors and artists.
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Did Steve McQueen go around squawking about how straight-as-a-wall he was? No, he didn’t. He was too busy being stoic and manly.
This reminds me of the scene in Reservation Blues where one Native American guy berates another for being too sensitive and inquisitive. "It's time to start acting like a REAL Indian! Get stoic!" and assumes an over-the-top John Wayne persona.

Unfortunately, the incessant pressure on straight men to prove to each other that they're not gay is no laughing matter. But perhaps it should be from time to time.
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Less than one minute of making out? Forget it

NY Times Review

http://movies2.nytimes.com/2005/12/0...es/09brok.html

"Yet "Brokeback Mountain" is ultimately not about sex (there is very little of it in the film) but about love: love stumbled into, love thwarted, love held sorrowfully in the heart.

Or, as Ms. Proulx writes, "What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."

One tender moment's reprieve from loneliness can illuminate a life."


That last line from the review is so beautiful
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i liked this part:

[q]Both Mr. Ledger and Mr. Gyllenhaal make this anguished love story physically palpable. Mr. Ledger magically and mysteriously disappears beneath the skin of his lean, sinewy character. It is a great screen performance, as good as the best of Marlon Brando and Sean Penn. The pain and disappointment felt by Jack, who is softer, more self-aware and self-accepting, continually registers in Mr. Gyllenhaal's sad, expectant silver-dollar eyes.[/q]
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Yes that NY Times really knows how to write, it's lovely-and he makes the movie sound so romantic too. Maybe it's telling that the only honestly romantic movie that could exist this year is about two men.
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i would say that one of the most graphic, and appropriate, sex scenes i can think of was in "monster's ball."

why?

because that movie was about, essentially, how interracial sexual attraction might posit an end of, or at least a way through, the black/white racial divide in the US, especially in the South. the metaphor of a white spoon and chocolate ice cream is certainly clear, and the graphic sex does two things:

1. we all know about the whole white master/slave mistress dichotomy -- a hugely inequal, generally exploitative relationship that has existed since Jefferson all the way to Strom Thurmond. however, in this sex scene, the racial "progress," so to speak, is demonstrated in Halle Berry's character's equal participation -- it is not a rape scene, it is not a scene of sexual coercion, it is not a "slave" servicing a "master" -- it's a scene of consensual sex brought about by mutual sexual desire, and Billy Bob has just as much nudity as Halle does. it's the equality in the graphic depictions that justifies the explicitness -- it's essentially social commentary.

2. the fact that it is a white man and a black woman -- that black men have traditionally been depicted as virile sex machines, instiable, etc. there's also long been the fear (just one of many historical myths held by racist whites) of black men preying upon white women, of white women being rendered powerless by the virility of a black man, etc. what this has done is render the sexuality of black women invisible, whereas "monster's ball" makes this sexuality -- which is also to say one's humanity -- very visible.

the fact that the film ends on a generally positive note, the two of them eating chocolate ice cream and looking up at the sky after Billy Bob has essentially renounced his racist father does, i think, lend credence to the original premise -- that interracial attraction becomes a means of seeing first the sexuality and then the humanity of a racialized Other.
agreed
I wish I could get my family to understand why I like that movie so much , I hope you do not mind I am going to copy your post and show my very closed minded brother. He stoped being a Halle Berry fan because of that sence.

BTW...I cannot wait to see Jake Gyllalamahoo in this film he is smokin.
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For Irvine's pleasure:

Top 10 Reasons For Straight Men to See Brokeback."

http//www.msnbc.com/id/10342237
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Oh and for shame, gay cowboys yeah, I bet no single cowboy in Wyoming is gay..
My sister says there's a pretty big concentration of gay people at her school here.

I just read a review about this movie earlier in People. They gave it a really good review. I'm curious about this movie, first off, because it takes place in Wyoming, which is where I live, and second, because considering the fact that there's also, unfortunately, a few people I've run into here in town who are pretty homophobic, it'll be interesting to see how it's received here (supposedly a friend of my sister's told her that "Rent" wasn't going to be playing in theaters here because people protested due to the content of the film ...).

Anywho, as for the film itself, yeah, if someone's going to get bothered by the idea of two men in love, then just don't go see the movie, and let those who are curious about it go see it. Simple as that .

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Who knows when my multiplex sticksville theater will start showing it, there are only two theaters showing it Friday listed in the ad in today's paper.

I don't want to read it before I see the movie, but here's a link for the short story.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/con...12fr_archive01
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