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Old 03-08-2006, 12:31 PM   #391
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It says on her official web site that she was married a few times, not that that even means anything of course.


i have no idea where i got that from, but i have thought it for a while ... who knows?
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Old 03-08-2006, 12:44 PM   #392
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While at some point it is indeed necessary for the heterosexual to understand the homosexual, I'm not sure we're there yet. What i mean is, I'm not sure heterosexuals yet understand homosexuals. And, I say that as a heterosexual. And, that's why I say that Brokeback Mountain - as it was assembled by all heterosexuals - is the heterosexual take on homosexuality. Certainly, there is some understanding, but we're not there yet.
If Brokeback Mountain had been about two, leather-clad lovers in New York City, would American society so positively responded to the movie? I doubt it. Our culture has, generally, accepted/loved/liked the movie because the gay people "act normal" as one of my friends put it. While he meant no harm, what he was saying is indicative of our heteronormative society. We want our men to be manly and we want our women to graceful and beautiful.
Ultimately, the movie is a homosexual love story. You cannot - in a sense - take the homosexual part out of it. What do most people consider a love story to consist of? A heterosexual man and woman falling in love and maybe wrestling through hard times. Because of our language and our culture, we cannot afford to call a homosexual love story, just a love story.
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By MIN LEE, AP Entertainment Writer Wed Mar 8

Ang Lee said promoting his Oscar-winning gay romance "Brokeback Mountain" was an arduous process and it was a disappointment not to win Oscar best picture.

"We've won every award since September, but missed out on the last one, the biggest one," Lee said in a post-Oscar news conference in Los Angeles that aired in Hong Kong Wednesday.

But he added that feeling disappointed "is human nature. And it wasn't for myself. I led a whole team of people."

"Brokeback Mountain" won Lee the best director Oscar, making him the first Asian winner of the prize. The film also won best musical score and best adapted screenplay, but lost the best picture award to "Crash" — a result considered a big upset.

Among the accolades "Brokeback" has racked up are the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival, four Golden Globes, including best drama motion picture, and four British Academy Film Awards, also including best picture.

The Oscar best picture win by "Crash," which addresses racism, has stirred speculation that the U.S. Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, the voting body for the Oscars, has an American bias or that it wasn't prepared to give its top honor to a movie about gays.

Lee said the process of marketing "Brokeback" was tough.

"My work was really hard. I had to fight many battles. Personally, I don't like doing press, but once a film is on the Oscar track, for half a year you're fighting the same battle," he said.

Lee said he wasn't trying to make a social statement with "Brokeback," the love story between two ranch hands set in conservative Wyoming.

"For me, 'Brokeback' isn't rebellious at all. It's a very ordinary movie. People call it groundbreaking or what not. It puts a lot of pressure on me. But I didn't feel this way when I was making the movie. This is the way gays are. It's just that they have been distorted. When two people are in love and are scared, that's the way they are," Lee told reporters.

However, Lee said he is somewhat of a rebel at heart.

"I had to fight with my background ... but I also had to live in the general environment. People have to be categorized. That's very annoying. Don't you find that annoying? Life shouldn't be like that. The world isn't like that. There's a lot of complexity. There are exceptions," Lee said.

Lee faced resistance for pursuing a career in film when growing up in his native Taiwan, a traditional, academically oriented society that looks down on the entertainment business.

He said movies are a form of dissent.

"That's why we make movies. Otherwise, we just have a leader issue an order and we all follow. Why else would there be filmmakers like us? Why else would people lock themselves in a dark room and watch a movie together?" Lee said.
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I've been thinking about this for a while. I might end up sounding like a heterosexual apologist, though.

If the same movie had been made with gay actors in the leads, I think many straight Americans would have been able to pigeonhole the movie as a "gay movie" and then dismiss it. By having straight actors play gay men, mainstream straight America was better equipped to deal with the subject. It made it easier to deal with if they could tell themselves over and over "They're really straight, they're really straight."


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I dunno ... I would guess people who had a problem with the movie because of the gay characters wouldn't care one whit that the actors were really straight.

And this might be a stretch, but I would also guess that anyone who had a problem with the movie because of the gay characters wouldn't be reading articles/interviews about the movie, or necessarily know anything about the actors, and therefore wouldn't know whether or not the actors were gay or straight.
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i agree.

i also think it's a victory -- and speaks highly of young people -- that two incomparably handsome, young, straight, leading men are willing to play gay cowboys simply because of the integrity of the project and the quality of the screenplay and director.

yes, they trot out Michelle Williams and talk about past relationships with Kirstin Dunst all the time, like on that horrid Oprah segment, but it is a step in the right direction. where would the civil rights movement have gone had young, white liberals not joined the fight?
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I liked BrokeBack Mountain. On winning the award for best picture even if the actors playing the cowboys were really gay or not, I think the results would have been the same.
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i agree.

i also think it's a victory -- and speaks highly of young people -- that two incomparably handsome, young, straight, leading men are willing to play gay cowboys simply because of the integrity of the project and the quality of the screenplay and director.

yes, they trot out Michelle Williams and talk about past relationships with Kirstin Dunst all the time, like on that horrid Oprah segment, but it is a step in the right direction. where would the civil rights movement have gone had young, white liberals not joined the fight?
Oh, I agree that it's a victory that this movie has done well and that these two young actors were willing to play the roles they did; however, I'm just asking how much progress was really made.
By the by, my comments about the movie shouldn't be confused as me saying anyone's feelings about the movie, or how the movie spoke to them, are less valid.
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By the by, my comments about the movie shouldn't be confused as me saying anyone's feelings about the movie, or how the movie spoke to them, are less valid.
Your comments didn't come across that way at all, and I really enjoyed reading them

Btw I read a while ago that Catherine Keener was hitting on Jake at the Golden Globes
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I wont be watching this movie, I stay away from all movies with any kind of sex scenes, and nudity etc.. I dont understand why they have to show this in the majority of movies, can someone please explain this to me.
um, did you ever hear the saying "sex sells?" well there you go.
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Your comments didn't come across that way at all, and I really enjoyed reading them

Btw I read a while ago that Catherine Keener was hitting on Jake at the Golden Globes
ahh, thanks for your nice comment.
and, wouldn't you hit Jake?
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and, wouldn't you hit Jake?
Yeah in my wildest fantasy world, and he'd have to be pretty desperate -actually very desperate
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[q]March 9, 2006
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Hollywood, California-In an unprecedented show of support for Brokeback Mountain, a website discussion board has spearheaded a campaign to collect donations from around the world to place ads in trade and national publications in support of the movie. In the first 48 hours, the group raised nearly $16,000 from over 400 contributors, and a team of volunteers designed a full page color ad to run in the March 10 Daily Variety.

The ad campaign was started by members at the Ultimate Brokeback Forum as a positive way to deal with their emotions surrounding Brokeback Mountain’s loss for Best Picture at the Academy Awards. Instead of responding in anger, members wanted to find a way to thank the cast and crew of the film and to find a way to highlight Brokeback Mountain’s unprecedented string of Best Picture wins.

The disparate group quickly decided to start an ad campaign, and soon word spread to other sites, and donations started to pour in from around the world. “I think most fans of the film were stunned by the Best Picture surprise, which raised the question of how and why the Academy could have been so out of sync with virtually every other organization that awarded Best Picture honors," site organizer Dave Cullen said in explaining why so many diverse people worldwide were donating to the campaign.

According to industry watchers, no movie has generated this sort of fan response after a loss for Best Picture. Fans are happy their support for Brokeback Mountain is becoming part of industry lore. They hope that others looking for a way to honor Brokeback Mountain as the Best Picture of 2005 will contribute to the campaign, so more ads can run to help raise awareness that the film garnered nearly every Best Picture award bestowed for 2005. “Only one major organization did not name Brokeback Mountain as Best Picture,” says campaign chair Peter Greyson.
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i posted a few thoughts in another thread, but i thought i might like to post them here, too, if that's ok.

i loved brokeback. it was an incredible film. the kind of film that stays with you for days. i went into it, of course, figuring that i would relate to the wives, but about halfway through, i realized i wasn't even watching a film about gay cowboys anymore. i was watching one of the most heartbreaking and tender love stories i have ever seen on film. it's really hard for me to put into words why this was so important to me.

on the way out of the theater i heard a woman say that it was nothing like she thought it would be and that she thought it was going to be a comedy. it made me wonder if she would think that because of the way gays are usually portrayed in hollywood, which is a far cry from the characters in this film.

anyway, the film left me with much to think about. it was melon or irvine, i can't remember which, who first presented the idea to me that placing all of the blame on someone who gets married even when they know they're gay isn't exactly fair. i thought a lot about that and began to realize how very true it is. the destruction that comes with oppression. this film really drove that point home for me. i've done a lot of forgiving.
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ianyway, the film left me with much to think about. it was melon or irvine, i can't remember which, who first presented the idea to me that placing all of the blame on someone who gets married even when they know they're gay isn't exactly fair. i thought a lot about that and began to realize how very true it is. the destruction that comes with oppression. this film really drove that point home for me. i've done a lot of forgiving.


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