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Old 12-28-2007, 09:32 PM   #1
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Britain Drops 'War on Terror' Label

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...,00.html?wh=wh

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"The words "war on terror" will no longer be used by the British government to describe attacks on the public, the country's chief prosecutor said Dec. 27.

Sir Ken Macdonald said terrorist fanatics were not soldiers fighting a war but simply members of an aimless "death cult."

The Director of Public Prosecutions said: 'We resist the language of warfare, and I think the government has moved on this. It no longer uses this sort of language."

London is not a battlefield, he said.

"The people who were murdered on July 7 were not the victims of war. The men who killed them were not soldiers," Macdonald said. "They were fantasists, narcissists, murderers and criminals and need to be responded to in that way."

His remarks signal a change in emphasis across Whitehall, where the "war on terror" language has officially been ditched. "

A welcome development, the only people who use the 'WOT/GWOT' lingo are those glued to neo-con pundits.

Anyone with a brain doesn't.
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1938: On this day
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/3115476.stm
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1938: On this day
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/3115476.stm




"Although only one per cent of the world's population...terrorize...world opinion, and world politics."

- Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew", talking about Jews in the 1930s.



"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. "

- Ann Coulter, US neo-conservative analyst, talking about Muslims in 2001


"Many Mahdi will die, but they live to die. "

- Charles Krauthammer, neo-conservative analyst, salivating over the prospect of a US invasion of Iran in 2006

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...401413_pf.html
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"Although only one per cent of the world's population...terrorize...world opinion, and world politics."

- Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew", talking about Jews in the 1930s.



"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. "

- Ann Coulter, US neo-conservative analyst, talking about Muslims in 2001



Trying to understand how this relates to the link I posted on
Chamberlain and 1938.
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Trying to understand how this relates to the link I posted on
Chamberlain and 1938.
No, tell you what, maybe you should explain first.

Explain how the link you posted on Chamberlain and 1938 has got jackshit to do with the opening news article.

(PS. It's good that you're actually engaging in debate, for once. This is welcome.)
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OK, here's my 2 cents

I think, like Chamberlain in 1938, we are failing to see, or choosing to ignore, the threats and dangers of our times.



Now ,can you explain how the Ann Coulter quote relates to this topic?


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I think, like Chamberlain in 1938, we are failing to see, or choosing to ignore, the threats and dangers of our times.
Who's "we?"
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Just because they're dopping the label does not mean they're turning their back on the threat of terror.

The so called "War on Terror" is a war with no end, its a worthless label.
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Actually, although he was wrong, Chamberlain wasn't ignoring the threat in his time. He was attempting to face it by other means, acutely aware that Britain was at the time a fragile, toothless tiger. His mistake was to assume Hitler was a rational adversary.

Despite his 'appeasement', the massive rearmament of Britain proceeded apace during his time in power. All those fighter planes weren't just magically there the minute Churchill assumed office.

All of this is off-topic of course, but no worse than just about everything else in the thread.
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The idea of labeling the terrorists 'criminals' as opposed to 'soldiers of a war' is an interesting twist.

Either label conveys certain rights and limitations. It's more like he doesn't want to give them the 'honor' conveyed to true soldiers -- something the terrorists most desperately declare.
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What am I missing here? Whoever labeled terrorists "soldiers" or "warriors"? I suppose if you say that the British (or US) governments are fighting a "war on terror" then by extension you're saying the terrorists are soldiers too...but to me that's a stretch.

Sounds like pointless semantics/rhetoric from people who ought to have better things to do with their time. You think anyone actually doing any fighting gives a flying fuck what you call it?
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Finally. The US democrats already did that.

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For years, many Democrats have seen GWOT as a catch-all cooked up by the administration to justify about any of its actions, from the Iraq War to the National Security Agency surveillance of telecommunications.

Indeed, a central point of Democrats's anti-Bush argument is that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with fighting terror, so they chafed everytime they heard Bush attempt to justify the U.S. military presence in Iraq as part of the larger war on terror.

It is a phrase so associated with Bush Administration policies detested by Democrats, small wonder House Democrats wanted it banned from the budget document. The only surprise is that it took them as long as it did.

As House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told President Bush recently, there's a new Congress in town. She might have added that it brought with it new word police.

House Republicans certainly saw the Democratic move as politically influenced and will use it for partisan ends themselves, as Boehner's statement demonstrates.
http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/b...global_wa.html

It's overly broad, was popularized by dubya, and has been used to justify Gitmo, illegal wiretaps, torture, renditions, and attacks on civilians among other atrocities.
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Finally. The US democrats already did that.


http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/b...global_wa.html

It's overly broad, was popularized by dubya, and has been used to justify Gitmo, illegal wiretaps, torture, renditions, and attacks on civilians among other atrocities.
But those methods ARE justified against terrorists.
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But those methods ARE justified against terrorists.
Attacks on civilians? Really? When you stoop to killing innocent bystanders and chalking it up to "collateral damage" you might as well stop fighting the terrorists, because at that point you are the terrorists.

I'd say the same for "disappearing" people at Gitmo, and torture.
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Glad to know the folks down at whitehall are tackling the real issues.....
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