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Old 01-01-2008, 04:44 PM   #31
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The Trial on Terror!!

BVS, that didn't work prior to 9/11...why would it now?
What didn't work before 9/11?

Also, do you not believe in the Constitution?
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The Trial on Terror!!

BVS, that didn't work prior to 9/11...why would it now?

Was the act of crashing hijacked commercial airliners into America's financial district and the Pentagon;

A) A domestic military strike
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B) A civil crime
So we've detained those hijackers that crashed the plane into the Pentagon? I wasn't aware of that.
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All "torture" is not equal. The detainment of a few hundred and the harsh interrogation "torture" of only a select few top strategists to help identify terrorists (they don't wear uniforms do they?) and to gain actionable intelligence to prevent the mass-murder of innocents is not the same as the sadistic, systemic and decades long human rights abuses of Russia, Red China, Cuba, N Korea, Iran or Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
Don't forget Bush killed the writ of habeas corpus. There's no guarentee that the definition of "terrorist" won't be expanded to anyone who doesn't agree with Bush in the future. In fact, he already hinted it does (per that 2001 quote).
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There have been two cases with Germans who have been kidnapped and sent to Guantanamo or one of the secret prisons where they got tortured, detained and kept in secret places without anyone knowing where they are or whether they are still alive.
And they didn't have the least to do with any terrorist organisation, yet they were tortured and kept captive for months.
Who knows how many of those cases exist without anyone knowing, and worse, your govenment set the legal ground for this going out of control. And history has taught us how easily such actions go out of control.
Of coarse the other side of the coin would be the 3 suspects (2 German Muslims and a Turk) that planned to attack Frankfurt's international airport, the Ramstein Air Base and discos frequented by Americans.

Were these attacks thwarted only by good police work? Maybe, but if it turns out German officials were assisted by information obtained by the questionable tactics of the "intelligence community", would that really matter?

I would hope that both the U.S. president and the German chancellor put saving lives and national defense above all other considerations.
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Is it not a slippery slope, INDY?
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Of coarse the other side of the coin would be the 3 suspects (2 German Muslims and a Turk) that planned to attack Frankfurt's international airport, the Ramstein Air Base and discos frequented by Americans.

Were these attacks thwarted only by good police work? Maybe, but if it turns out German officials were assisted by information obtained by the questionable tactics of the "intelligence community", would that really matter?

I would hope that both the U.S. president and the German chancellor put saving lives and national defense above all other considerations.
German police observed them for a long time and was well aware of what they were doing. As far as I know they did get information from American intelligence, but everything substantial was gathered by old fashioned police work. In fact, German intelligence hindered their investigations by holding back crucial information due to this old thinking "I'm the secret agent here and all I'm doing is more secret than anything else" just like you see in bad movies.

It doesn't justify taking away our civil rights so many people have given their lifes for and enacting laws that are frighteningly reminding of times we had hoped have finally ended for good in 1990.

It really is a slippery slope, and it's far too easy to get off the path.
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I would hope that both the U.S. president and the German chancellor put saving lives and national defense above all other considerations.
Why not take it a step further and just lock up all Muslims?
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Is it not a slippery slope, INDY?
What isn't a slippery slope?

After we entered WWII and defeated the Nazis in Europe and the Japanese Imperial army in the Pacific...what was to stop our "war machine" from continuing on? Really...why aren't we living in the United States of Earth.
Who could have stopped us? Our allies in Europe were decimated, Russia was broke and had lost 10 million soldiers, Canada was, well, Canada.

We had "the bomb" and no one else did!! The world was our slippery slope. But we sent the soldiers home and went about rebuilding war torn Europe and Japan.

Maybe, just maybe, good can defeat evil without becoming evil itself. Maybe a country can protect it's citizens and respect their rights at the same time.
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Why not take it a step further and just lock up all Muslims?
You aren't going to answer the question are you?

Was the act of crashing hijacked commercial airliners into America's financial district and the Pentagon;

A) A domestic military strike
or
B) A civil crime
or maybe you need
C) an inside job

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Maybe, just maybe, good can defeat evil without becoming evil itself. Maybe a country can protect it's citizens and respect their rights at the same time.
That's what I'm looking for. I'm sure it's possible.
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Why not take it a step further and just lock up all Muslims?
You aren't going to answer the question are you?

Was the act of crashing hijacked commercial airliners into America's financial district and the Pentagon;

A) A domestic military strike
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B) A civil crime
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C) an inside job

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Don't forget Bush killed the writ of habeas corpus. There's no guarentee that the definition of "terrorist" won't be expanded to anyone who doesn't agree with Bush in the future. In fact, he already hinted it does (per that 2001 quote).
2001 quote??? You mean Bush has had 6 years to build the prisons and dig the mass graves for U.S. citizens and he hasn't done it?
Man, there's nothing worse than a slacker fascist.

Or maybe he's planning on pulling a Putin and sticking around past his constitutionally allotted time.
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Maybe a country can protect it's citizens and respect their rights at the same time.
That would be nice, wouldn't it?
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You aren't going to answer the question are you?

Was the act of crashing hijacked commercial airliners into America's financial district and the Pentagon;

A) A domestic military strike
or
B) A civil crime
or maybe you need
C) an inside job

Answer the question or meet my "friends."
D) None of the above.

Now, what does this have to do with what we are talking about?
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2001 quote??? You mean Bush has had 6 years to build the prisons and dig the mass graves for U.S. citizens and he hasn't done it?
Man, there's nothing worse than a slacker fascist.
Oh - he already did that.

http://digg.com/politics/Bush_hires_...n_camps_in_USA

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=1897
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