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Old 03-08-2005, 07:24 PM   #16
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respect what your troops are doing whether or not you agree with it.

on this i respectfully disagree.

i, and pretty much everyone no matter what your political/cultural stripe, support the tropps 100%.

however, you do not have to, nor should you have to, support how the troops are being used.

especially when they're being used as cannon fodder.
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You're right, there are pro-lifers on both sides, yet pro-choicers on both sides. Reverse it any time soon? Probably not.
Can you explain?


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Not at all what I was getting at. I don't mean to hit people with guilt, but rather, appreciate their willingness to serve. It shouldn't be a partisan thing. I just wish we could live in the now - and realize that we can't take back the invasion.
What I'm saying is it doesn't even need to be said. Both sides support the troops, why would anyone feel the need to even say it. It's like saying I wish everyone would support children. No one's going to say 'I don't support the children".
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on this i respectfully disagree.

i, and pretty much everyone no matter what your political/cultural stripe, support the tropps 100%.

however, you do not have to, nor should you have to, support how the troops are being used.

especially when they're being used as cannon fodder.
You don't have to agree with it entirely. But - Would you be proud of your country if we succeeded in ending the rampant violence in Iraq?
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You don't have to agree with it entirely. But - Would you be proud of your country if we succeeded in ending the rampant violence in Iraq?

you mean the violence we started?
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Can you explain?
You have Tim Roemer, we "have" Rudy Giuliani. But correct me if I'm wrong, the DNC didn't have a single pro-life speaker. Is that true?

Roemer is a democrat. Yet, he's considered "right of center."

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I think the "gap" is more issue-based, not the left and right moving farther apart. I think a lot of the issues being debated here and in mainstream media are relatively centrist. People are arguing over personal beliefs, not political platforms, imo.
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you mean the violence we started?
Admittedly, there is violence because of us occupying the country.

Let me ask the question a little differently... would you be proud if we toppled a brutal dictatorship and established a peaceful nation in the middle east?
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I think the "gap" is more issue-based, not the left and right moving farther apart. I think a lot of the issues being debated here and in mainstream media are relatively centrist. People are arguing over personal beliefs, not political platforms, imo.
I don't know if I agree entirely with this. Not too many liberals on here are open about any conservative stances they might have, which leads me to believe that they don't have any at all.
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I don't know if I agree entirely with this. Not too many liberals on here are open about any conservative stances they might have, which leads me to believe that they don't have any at all.
I'm liberal on some issues, convervative on others. But I agree that a lot of liberals are rather predictable in their views - i.e. always pro-choice.
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You have Tim Roemer, we "have" Rudy Giuliani. But correct me if I'm wrong, the DNC didn't have a single pro-life speaker. Is that true?

Roemer is a democrat. Yet, he's considered "right of center."

So what if we didn't have a pro-life speaker. That's not the point. I'm talking about the past election I'm talking about the future. We have pro-life and pro-choice on both sides. That was my point. Abortion is not a line drawn down the center.
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I don't know if I agree entirely with this. Not too many liberals on here are open about any conservative stances they might have, which leads me to believe that they don't have any at all.
See once again, I'm talking about bridging gaps and you're pointing fingers. There are plenty of liberals who believe in faith-based groups, who believe in conservative economic issues etc. We normally speak of hot issues in here, so of course these issues aren't going to get brought up. I don't see conservatives embrace liberal issues in here but it doesn't lead me to believe anything about them. I try to keep an open mind and don't judge people based on issues not talked about.
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But I agree that a lot of liberals are rather predictable in their views - i.e. always pro-choice.
Not necessarily; I consider myself a liberal but am not pro-choice. I know far too many people of the same persuasion that could contend with that substantial, albeit understandable, generalisation.

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Macfistowannabe, where'd you'd find that chart?
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The way I look at the supporting of our troops issue: I respect the heck out of our brave, disciplined and hard working men and women in uniform. It's their bosses in Washington I don't necessarily support.
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The way I look at the supporting of our troops issue: I respect the heck out of our brave, disciplined and hard working men and women in uniform. It's their bosses in Washington I don't necessarily support.
Yes

And I am hoping the gap will be bridged quite a bit more when Bush is gone. Frankly I don't have too much faith that he has any genuine desire to bridge it. Also we need Democrats to ease up on the rhetoric and make genuine attempts to compromise.

The thought of waiting four years is sad though
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