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Old 08-03-2007, 01:21 PM   #91
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There is no such thing as a bridge that can't fail.
This is true, but how about giving proper funding so that they can be made safer? Who is going to argue against that?
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There is no such thing as a bridge that can't fail.
There is such thing as a bridge which is less safe than others from lack of repair and overuse.
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That should be decided in the inevitable inquiry, taking into account the evidence and establishing responsibility.
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Did you hear the woman in the article I posted?

I'm not arguing that. If the states need the funding they should get it. I think "need" needs to be defined and to us layman it isn't yet. But this has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.
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I'm not a liberal, so that whole partisan argument of yours can fly out the window.
alrighty.
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I'm not arguing that. If the states need the funding they should get it. I think "need" needs to be defined and to us layman it isn't yet. But this has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.
I don't think the War matters much at all. I think it matters a little bit in any situation involving budget, but really it doesn't touch this issue too much. I didn't bring it up. I certainly don't think it had anything to do with this collapse.

But it's not solely a state issue. The federal government needs to step up in a much bigger way.
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I don't think the War matters much at all. I think it matters a little bit in any situation involving budget, but really it doesn't touch this issue too much. I didn't bring it up. I certainly don't think it had anything to do with this collapse.

But it's not solely a state issue. The federal government needs to step up in a much bigger way.
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Actually, we're in tremendous debt. Which means we cut back on things we need, and continue to spend on what we don't. That's politics, baby.
You're response here was to mine saying there's no need to politicize this. The implication of the statement is our bridges are in disrepair due to a lack of funds generated by Iraq. That directly implicates/involves Iraq.

But I'm not going to argue with you over what we were arguing over.
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I don't think the War matters much at all. I think it matters a little bit in any situation involving budget, but really it doesn't touch this issue too much. I didn't bring it up. I certainly don't think it had anything to do with this collapse.

But it's not solely a state issue. The federal government needs to step up in a much bigger way.
To clarify, I don't the war is directly related to the bridge either, I was merely using the monetary issues as a comparison point.

I'm sure I'll get dragged through the mud for this as well, but at this point it doesn't even matter.
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You're response here was to mine saying there's no need to politicize this. The implication of the statement is our bridges are in disrepair due to a lack of funds generated by Iraq. That directly implicates/involves Iraq.

But I'm not going to argue with you over what we were arguing over.
Well, I think, because of our political system, this issue will get delayed and complicated, like most issues. That's my issue here. It's unfortunate. I think it's something we need to fix now.
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no i think you had a very good point about all the infrastructure building our administration is so focused on over there, and yet i've yet to see the same quality of improvements on our own.

how about them levees?????
Certain people would tend to disagree.

It's frustrating when you see so much money go to waste, essentially.
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1. you realize it was scheduled to be rebuilt/replaced in 2020 right?
We're already under a major bridge building operation to cross the mississippi on the south side of the metro. You think they're going to do two simultaneously?

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2. this one sure needs fixing now, doesn't it? are we going to wait until more bridges fall before more funding goes into the transportation dept? YES, other bridges around the nation are going to be inspected, but as ntalwar said, the president did not say he will increase funds to other rebuilding efforts beyond MN. he didn't say that he wouldn't, but so far he hasn't said that he would.
It's the 4th bridge in 75 years. Do. The. Math.


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3. what?
Yeah. We have winter here. Part of april through part of october is the only time they have to do construction. The vast majority of construction is from may through september. That's five months by my finger counting.

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4. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-2388 is this the bill you're speaking of? i hope not, because in bold print it says "this bill never became law"
No... Congress equals federal. I said here in minnesota meaning state.
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A lot of the $500 billion being spent and wasted in Iraq is on Iraqi infrastructure. The MSNBC article stated that the White House threatens vetoes when Congress wants adequate funding for US infrastructure. It's naive to insist there's no link between US infrastructure funding and Iraq.
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