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Old 03-10-2008, 12:14 PM   #61
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COULTER: No, and if you're looking at substance rather than whether it's an R or D after his name, manifestly, if our's candidate than Hillary's going to be our girl, Sean, because she's more conservative than he is. I think she would be stronger on the war on terrorism. I absolutely believe that.

HANNITY: That's the one area I disagree with you.

COULTER: No, yes, we're going to sign up together. Let me explain that point on terrorism.

HANNITY: You'd vote for Hillary —

COULTER: I will campaign for her if it's McCain.

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the fact that mccain really does make the far right cringe makes me like him even more. but i suppose it's a matter of time before he whores himself over to the religious right.
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the fact that mccain really does make the far right cringe makes me like him even more. but i suppose it's a matter of time before he whores himself over to the religious right.


he's already done that.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t...gers_cath.html
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he's already done that.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t...gers_cath.html
fair enough, but seeing pope bill donohue squirm is never a bad thing.
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fair enough, but seeing pope bill donohue squirm is never a bad thing.




i'm betting Ted Haggart used to squirm ...
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different kind of squirming
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that's not what i was thinking AT ALL.

perv.

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He is saying Hillary is not fit for the job

because we need

change

change

change


Every time he says
change

he is hurting Hillary !!!!!!!

You're right, we need change.



If she loses
it is his fault.




wha , sob, whaaaaa!!!
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[Q]Starting with you, Senator Bradley, do you believe that both Clinton and Obama are viable candidates and both should go on from this point on?

BILL BRADLEY: I think Barack Obama has a much stronger chance of beating John McCain in the general election. I think Hillary is flawed in many ways, and particularly if you look at her husband's unwillingness to release the names of the people who contributed to his presidential library.

And the reason that is important -- you know, are there favors attached to $500,000 or $1 million contributions? And what do I mean by favors? I mean, pardons that are granted; investigations that are squelched; contracts that are awarded; regulations that are delayed.

These are important questions. The people deserve to know. And we deserve, as Democrats, to know before a nominee is selected, because we don't want things to explode in a general election against John McCain.
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fair enough, but seeing pope bill donohue squirm is never a bad thing.
He's a bigot with a severe persecution complex. It's a rather perverse combination.
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That's what Marxist philosophy would refer to as "false choice," where all of your choices, essentially, are really just the same.
I think in a lot of ways that's true of the general election also, but particularly the primary. Now if people would have voted for Kucinich and Paul in the primaries, then we'd have something to discuss re: platforms.

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i think when it comes to the platform, there isn't much difference between Hillary and Obama.

but when it comes to everything else, Obama does represent a real turning of the page and, hopefully, a way out of the bitter partisanship that has characterized the Baby Boom's rise to power. what actually gets don't won't be all that different from Hillary, but how it gets done, and how politics itself will function in our lives, might very well change with Obama.

he's not so easy to hate.

Hillary is very, very easy to hate.
How much of the Hillary hate do you think comes from her being a woman (vs. from her being Hillary Clinton)? I'm not 100% comfortable betting the next 4 years on there being more Americans hating Hillary than there are bigots who'll vote white regardless. Is she so easy to hate that people who hate her outnumber racists?
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The hate that comes from her being a woman results from a double standard, which in some cases is a result of outdated sexist views. There is plenty of hate that comes from her just being Hillary Clinton- but the double standard hate is there too, as is the sexist hate, as is the mother complex hate. The sexist hate is more acceptable than the racist hate, but of course there are regional differences in that. I know someone who lives in Tennessee who says that so many people she knows just state out loud that they could never vote for a woman for President-men and women. It's not as acceptable to say out loud that you would never vote for an African American for same-the polls bear that out and people will lie about that. But I'm sure in some places it's fine to say that out loud. As for people who hate her because she's HRC outnumbering racists, I have no idea. As for sexists outnumbering racists, that's an interesting question- sometimes they overlap too. Two for the price of one.
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that's not what i was thinking AT ALL.

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How much of the Hillary hate do you think comes from her being a woman (vs. from her being Hillary Clinton)? I'm not 100% comfortable betting the next 4 years on there being more Americans hating Hillary than there are bigots who'll vote white regardless. Is she so easy to hate that people who hate her outnumber racists? [/B]


i think a lot of it comes from her being a woman. i do think there's a strong dollop of sexism mixed into the brew of Hillary-hate. i think some men find her castrating. i think some men find her a grown-up Tracy Flick.

it's a very, very complex thing. sexism is a part of it, but not all of it. i think there are many men who would vote for a woman, happily, but wouldn't vote for *this* woman, yet for reasons that are inextricably linked to her being a woman.
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i think a lot of it comes from her being a woman. i do think there's a str i think there are many men who would vote for a woman, happily, but wouldn't vote for *this* woman, yet for reasons that are inextricably linked to her being a woman.
There are many women who would not vote for this woman.

And the reasons are not tied to the fact she is a woman, but the fact they dislike her on a personal level.

I am not one of these women. But I have spoken to a number of them, and they are rational and eloquent and disagree with her policies. They're not some kind of traitors to their gender.
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