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Old 06-22-2005, 01:12 PM   #91
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Did starsforu2 say that the children that result from unplanned pregnancies are "mistakes", or did you read that into it?

Answer: you read that into it.


why ask a question when you already have the answer you want?
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Ah, so now the children that result from unplanned pregnancies are "mistakes"?

Well.

This "mistake" is going to wander away from this thread now.

Attitudes like this one make me positively ill.
Perhaps you're just serendipitous? Whether you're a happy accident or not, it just means you weren't planned. No offense meant by it.

Mostly I just disagree with the amount of social welfare you support. I think that too much of it can be bad for people, even if it's well intentioned. And we'll never come to consensus on how much is too much. But even you have your limits on how much is too much don't you?

Edited: To fix Serendipitous spelling mistake. Yeah, I'm vain
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If you ask for help, people give it. No one wants to ask for help. Too prideful. Too much shame. I include myself in this accusation. I'm learning how to ask for help.


i live in a chocolate castle and i ride a flying tiger to work every day.

everywhere i walk, there are puppies and rainbows. unicorns and dragons are my best friends.



you said you lived near DC. let's go take a walk through Anacostia and we'll see just how many people are willing to give help to those most in need.

individual charity is nice. faith-based charity is nice. but these things are neither capable of addressing the scope and scale of the problem of unwanted pregnancies, nor is charity capable of attacking the roots of the problems itself.

sadly, government is the only way as it has the capabilities to organize on a mass scale and address these systemic problems.

is government perfect? hardly.
is government even particularly good at this? not really.

but it's the only way i know of.

instead of tossing government aside, let's make it work better.
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Alright, I'll rephrase it:

"You read that into it, because stars certainly didn't say it"
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i live in a chocolate castle and i ride a flying tiger to work every day.

everywhere i walk, there are puppies and rainbows. unicorns and dragons are my best friends.



you said you lived near DC. let's go take a walk through Anacostia and we'll see just how many people are willing to give help to those most in need.

individual charity is nice. faith-based charity is nice. but these things are neither capable of addressing the scope and scale of the problem of unwanted pregnancies, nor is charity capable of attacking the roots of the problems itself.

sadly, government is the only way as it has the capabilities to organize on a mass scale and address these systemic problems.

is government perfect? hardly.
is government even particularly good at this? not really.

but it's the only way i know of.

instead of tossing government aside, let's make it work better.
Ok, let's say you're right and that the government is the only entity capable of tackling this. And I won't dispute it because It's been awhile since I've lived in the ghetto. (Yes, I actually lived in a very depressed area of Albany, NY while I was delivering Pizza while going to college) The rent was cheap.

Anyway, given the scope of the problem, I believe that President Bush faith-based incentive program is designed to "outsource" care to those who are already doing out of a heart that wants to serve. In time, maybe we can get back to a more personal society where we have to interact instead of relying on the government to fix it for us. It wasn't always this way where the government took care of such a big part of those in need.

And maybe I'm trying to close the barn doors after the horse is out of the barn. Who knows

I'm tired. Long day. I had to go to L 'enfant Plaza today. And yes, I thought about Irvine as we drove around.
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Ah, so now the children that result from unplanned pregnancies are "mistakes"?

Well.

This "mistake" is going to wander away from this thread now.

Attitudes like this one make me positively ill.
Um ,whats wrong with calling an unplanned child a mistake?
If it wasnt intentional....then what is it?
I was a mistake.
Im glad my parents didnt suck my brains out
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Um ,whats wrong with calling an unplanned child a mistake?
If it wasnt intentional....then what is it?
I was a mistake.
Im glad my parents didnt suck my brains out
My opinion is that having sex when you're unwilling to have and care for a baby is a mistake. The mistake is the act. The baby that results from the mistake is not a mistake, but a gift - an opportunity.
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Ok, let's say you're right and that the government is the only entity capable of tackling this. And I won't dispute it because It's been awhile since I've lived in the ghetto. (Yes, I actually lived in a very depressed area of Albany, NY while I was delivering Pizza while going to college) The rent was cheap.

Anyway, given the scope of the problem, I believe that President Bush faith-based incentive program is designed to "outsource" care to those who are already doing out of a heart that wants to serve. In time, maybe we can get back to a more personal society where we have to interact instead of relying on the government to fix it for us. It wasn't always this way where the government took care of such a big part of those in need.

And maybe I'm trying to close the barn doors after the horse is out of the barn. Who knows

I'm tired. Long day. I had to go to L 'enfant Plaza today. And yes, I thought about Irvine as we drove around.


my problem is when faith-based initiatives get federal money. they do good work, but with private contributions from private citizens. as a passionate secualrist, i have a hard time with the idea of my tax dollars being used as prosthetizing tools. who's values are they imparting?

also, the secret to solving mass social problems is human organization on a mass scale. i don't see how any church, or whatever, is big enough to be able to reach the needs of millions and millions of people in a country of 300 million. i think you're right about Bush trying to "outsource," but i think think the end result will be less assistance to those who need it most (while he plays to both sides of his base -- he gives legitimacy, and dollars, to the faith-based crowd while passing tax cuts for his weathy oil-and-guns crowd).

i also wonder about this imagined past where the government did very little and people helped people. when did that happen?
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My opinion is that having sex when you're unwilling to have and care for a baby is a mistake. The mistake is the act. The baby that results from the mistake is not a mistake, but a gift - an opportunity.

make no mistake about it ... HAVE MORE GAY SEX!!!!
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My opinion is that having sex when you're unwilling to have and care for a baby is a mistake. The mistake is the act. The baby that results from the mistake is not a mistake, but a gift - an opportunity.

So all the other sexual activity
that can not result in a baby
is not a mistake.

I love selected applications of "absolute thinking".
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What in God's name is this thread about?

Some days, I wonder about humanity. I really do.
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So all the other sexual activity
that can not result in a baby
is not a mistake.

I love selected applications of "absolute thinking".
What I love is when people draw conclusions based upon what I like to call "reading between nonexistent lines".

In other words, deep, how did you draw that from what I wrote?

I didn't say anything at all about any other scenarios involving sex, nor did I say that "The only sexual scenario that is a mistake is having sex when not ready or willing to care for a baby."
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What in God's name is this thread about?

Some days, I wonder about humanity. I really do.
That's okay, because I'm sure humanity sometimes wonders about each one of us (including yourself), also.
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So all the other sexual activity
that can not result in a baby
is not a mistake.


blow jobs.

lots and lots of blow jobs.

trust me. the world will be a better place.
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